I know I have complained about this before but.... Do you guys think that the dealers are getting more difficult to negotiate with? Are times that difficult or are they selling enough cars that they don't really care? I have called a couple of dealers actually outside of Atlanta and they are really difficult to deal with. Used 2013 911s with 2-5k miles they are only offering 10% off original MSRP. I told them that those kind of prices are offered on brand new cars. Offending cities: Cincinatti, and several in Florida.

 

When was the last time you got 10% off MSRP on a current year 911? I
would go back there if that happened.

 

I suspect it is a simple supply and demand problem.. And it just seems like popular configurations of late model used, with low mileage just have more demand than supply.. (just my experience in my search)

But honestly had I ever been able to find a CPO's 1 or 2 year old C2 or C2S that was equipped the way I wanted at a reasonable cost I would have snapped it up. I just never could find one.

It just seemed to me like the CPO's and used with very low mileage (< 5 K miles) were just not that much less expensive than a comparable new..

We all talk about the immediate depreciation when we drive off the lot.. But it just seems to not reflect that way (at least in my experience) when you go to try and find one as a buyer..

 

No, I don't think anyone is getting that on a current model year. I think you can get possibly get close to that maybe for a new, but last years model if one is sitting on a lot.. But unfortunately the pick'ins are pretty slim in that regard..

And from that perspective a brand new, last years vs a used last years gap could be pretty small.. But also consider that a used car with 2K miles on it is more or less new anyway from a practical perspective..

 

I agree with you and I think it's the turn around in the economy. In 2008, I was able to buy a 2005 SL65, 20K miles, CPO for $80K plus tax. Good luck getting a comparable car like that today for anything less than $100K. In 2011, I bought a 2007, 7600 mile, CPO 911 turbo for $79K. 2007 turbo's TODAY are going for $85K with similar mileage to when I bought mine. Ridiculous. Just supply and demand. Another recession would be good to put these stealtors in their place

 

I think 10% is a very good deal. I received just a bit more than 10% off my 2013 C4.

 

This has been my dilemna as well. There needs to be enough savings buying the used car to make it worthwhile - so if the price delta is <10k between the two, I'll order mine from the factory.

 

I got 16% off a loaded 991S with 2k miles, 6 months old.

 

I was able to get 20% off MSRP on a CPO 991S with 380 miles, one year old. But I waited 4 months for the price to drop.

 

Surprised you had to go outside Atlanta. I was able to get them to discount 10% on a new C2S Cab (off the lot) back in August. Be patient, time is your friend. January 911 sales were down about 10% y/y, and they will need to move the 911's out of inventory in Q2 to get ready for the LCI. I'm expecting/hoping for some aggressive programs in April.

 

East Coast dealers are pathetic........giving away cars like that. Have some pride in what you sell.

 

Considering how little they are giving on trade ins, I'd be mad if I paid msrp.

 

1) If you buy out of state the dealership knows that you won't service the car there and might not trade it in . even though sales and service are separate entities they are shared by the same dealership and a repeat local buyer has a better chance of a good price . The dealership hopes to sell the car , service it, receive it in trade (to CPO) , and resell it .

2) a dealership will never sell an untilted (and un punched) car under invoice (unless there is some issue with the car ) .Markup on a 991 is roughly 11 percent . They are only making one percent over what they paid but they are stuck with a 1 year old car and aware that once titled its worth 30 percent less than new MSRP in trade .

Conclusion --10 percent on an out of state 13 991 is not a horrible deal if one plans to keep the car for a long time . I have doubts about 2013 leftovers though . Obviously a car which has sat on the lot unsold for that long must have been looked at by many people who opted to say "no thanks" . Quite often the color or options are less desireable but even in the event that it was a great car it still sat still for a year . That's a long time for a car to sit and if one is paying top dollar my opinion is he ought to buy a newer 2014 car .

 

I got 22% off, but it was from a private party. Plus he was in a little bind because he had a new turbo on order.

 

I completely agree with you as this has been the case in my searches thus far. I'm quickly coming to the realization that I'll have to order a car. Love to find a left over 2013 or slightly used 2013/2014 but the saving from buying new is simply not there. BTW, when are you able to order the 2015s?