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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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Hey guys this is my first post on 6speed... I found a White low mileage 993 (Non-Turbo) in Huntington Beach. I was wondering if anyone on here knows any information on the car before I order a PPI and start my own research. Also, I was considering offering closer to $32K to start low, what do you guys think would be a fair price for the seller and me (If the car is perfect as he says I wouldn't want to steal it from him, but at the same time I want a good deal). Any feedback is much appreciated, here is the car - http://globalautosports.com/car/1996-Porsche-911Carrera-Coupe-31238.html
 

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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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Car looks super clean, in the pictures... A PPI should give you most of the info necessary to make a knowledgeable offer... I'd start low and work my way up as necessary. Good Luck

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Old Nov 22, 2010 | 05:55 PM
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you have great tastes .... highly desirable all the way around. if a ppi works and every part of that car except the stereo is original and you snag it for 32k jump on it.
 
Old Nov 22, 2010 | 06:20 PM
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+1. gorgeous car! GL with the purchase and fully agree on a PPI first to save you headaches down the road
 
Old Nov 22, 2010 | 10:21 PM
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What would you expect a PPI to run? I am hearing $125 - $650. What have you paid, and what was performed/checked?
 
Old Nov 23, 2010 | 03:45 AM
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here you go ... here is your ultimate ppi; 300 to 500 i would say.

ECU/DME
- (OBDII) read fault/readiness codes

TEST DRIVE
- full throttle in 2nd (once warm), ensure 0.8bar boost (not "limp home mode") and check for clutch slippage
- idle at 880 +/- 40rpm
- make sure no stall on quick stop with A/C on
- check for wheel rub (full left/right lock while forward/reverse)
- test ABS (ABD if possible)
- watch temps.
- Ensure oil thermostat opens
- listen for oil cooler fan speeds at stop
- Check braking (no shudder/squeal/pull to either side)
- Ensure smooth power steering
– downshift into 1st at ~15mph to ensure easy engagement, no odd noises
- upshift and downshift into 2nd at a variety of speeds, ensure no crnchiness or notchiness

TURBOS
– check for oil leakage
- look inside pipes (turbo to intercooler) for oil

CLUTCH
– ensure no “clicking” or “hanging up” in clutch pedal motion (engine stopped and running)
- no signs of slippage
- accumulator
- check for hard pedal before start
- check for pentosin leaks from accumulator/slave

DRIVETRAIN
- visually inspect rear diff., viscous coupler, front diff. (for leaks, damage)
- check rubber CV joint boots for tearing/cracking

ENGINE
- compression test all six cylinders
- perform a leakdown test on all six
- check serial number – should begin with “61V” (1996) or "61T" (1997)
- check distributor, coil(s), plug wires for visible damage
- check engine tray (if installed) for oil deposits
- check for all fuses/relays (match w/ diagram on box cover)
- check valve covers, timing chain covers for leaks

WARNING LIGHTS
– all come on with key on, extinguish upon start
- make sure CEL not tripped (check OBDII to rule out removed bulb)
-check LCDdisplay on OBC for full functionality

CLIMATE
- A/C blows cold
- heat blows hot
- all climate control functions work (buttons/switches functioning)

STEERING
- check steering rack for leaks
- check rubber boots for tearing or cracking
- inspect p/s pump for leakage

OIL LEAKS
- check under engine
- timing chain covers
- lower valve covers
- smoke on start?
- smoke once warm?

MISC
- tool kit present
- jack present
- air compressor present
- door locking (from all switches and remote)
- alarm
- number of key fobs

LIGHTS
- driving lights
- head lights
- tail lights
- 3rd brake light
- fog lights
- interior
- trunk/engine lid lights
- glove box
- all turn indicators, including hazards

BODY
- check for rust, especially near bottom corners of windshield seal and around seals
- remove headlights, check forimpact damage/paint work/metal work
- any signs of impact damage
- check for even gaps either side of hood, trunk
- ensure engine bay stickers
- ensure sticker under luggage compartment (trunk) lid
- level “turbo” badge
- inspect for rolled fenders
- if possible – paint thickness meter?
- check for repainting/overspray around plastic, in door jams, etc.
- trunk
- look for corrosion (beneath fuel tank, brake reservoir, around bolts)
- check under spare wheel for rust, ensure drains OK
- look at ABS/ABD control unit for corrosion
- inspect for paint damage beneath hydraulic components
- check for small cracks in front bumper (should exist on 11yo car)
- install tow hook – should thread evenly and straight
- check taillight (condensation)
- remove rear bumper (front also if not too time consuming), check for repaint/metal repair underneath
- check seals (pour water down leading edge of doors, sunroof)
- check door for missing, clicking, loose straps/stops

INTERIOR
- check condition of vinyl/plastic/fabric
- check function of electric, heated seats
- power windows (ensure every switch works)
- test front wipers at all speeds (including delay)
- check windshield and headlight sprayers
- ensure function of rear wiper (if installed)
- defrost
- rear window, windshield, outside mirrors
- electric mirror controls work
- check AM/FM/CD/tape(?) for function
- check clock for function
- ensure sunroof opens, closes
 
Old Nov 23, 2010 | 06:40 AM
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The car looks great. I would highly recommend taking your car to http://www.hergesheimer.com/ for the PPI. Good luck with your purchase.
 
Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:46 AM
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Wow! dfwerdoc, you just made my life easier... I am going to print this out and have each item checked off one by one. I can use this as a bargaining tool as well. And Dunit, I will consider taking it to the place you recommend the PPI be done at.
 
Old Nov 23, 2010 | 11:08 PM
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Good luck

Let us know what you end up deciding on.
 
Old Dec 7, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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Beautiful car....Good luck!
 
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