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So using that logic; we can't say for "sure" that the guy who recently broke the world record for the 100 meter dash (Justin Gatlin with 9.76), is currently the fastest 100 meter sprinter in the world, because of the possibility that some guy we don't even know about, who maybe doesn't even compete, is running around out there? I don't think so.
My point? Rumors don't mean a thing without proof.
No matter what the competition is, verified results are the only ones that matter. And we have 'em.
My point? Rumors don't mean a thing without proof.
No matter what the competition is, verified results are the only ones that matter. And we have 'em.
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In is undisputed that the vast majority of the fastest 996TTs on this particular forum were built by either EVOMS or Protomotive. In fact, if you look at the ¼ mile list at the top of the forum, the first car not built by one of these two tuners is the Ruf RT-12 and, as impressive as that car is, it is 15th on the list and it is merely an 11 second car. Likewise, if you look at the ET list, the only car in the top 15 is, again, the Ruf RT-12, and it is 13th on the list. The fastest 996TTs on this forum have been built by Protomotive and EVOMS.
Why you ask have I made these observations? A few weeks ago, I read a post by Vivid’s owner wherein he made the following statement regarding his ECU programming partner, Softronic: “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here” ( https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1484398&postcount=18 ). This statement certainly got my attention, as well as many other long time forum members (I know because we privately discussed the possible interpretations of Vivid’s statement). I also read where several people asked Vivid to explain what it meant by this reference, but their inquiries were met with evasive responses and outright refusals to substantiate the claim. In other words, the statement has NEVER been explained, and the curious masses have been left to speculate and opine about how it is that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.”
As previous explained, the “fastest Porsches here” are built by either EVOMS or Protomotive (that may not be the case on other forums, but it most certainly is the case “here”). We all know that GIAC, in partnership with EVOMS, creates the programming for all of the fastest EVOMS built cars (EVOMS has always been very candid about its relationship with GIAC, even though Todd Z. does more programming in house than others give him credit for). Therefore, Vivid clearly was not referring to EVOMS when it stated that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.”
According to my inferior powers of deduction, that leaves only 996TTs built by Protomotive. Am I missing something? It appears that the only tuner Vivid could possibly have been referring to is Protomotive. Is Softronic software “powering a lot of the fastest Porsches” built by Protomotive?
Now, back to the title of this thread -- I have a simple and straight forward question: What is the relationship between Softronic and Protomotive (if there exists such a relationship)? I have always been led to believe that Protomotive does ALL of its programming in-house. In fact, Protomotive’s customers have often cited this fact when contrasting Protomotive to other tuners who may be, to some degree, dependant on outside vendors for tuning. However, if Softronic is “powering a lot of the fastest Porsches here,” which means Softronic is apparently powering some or all of Protomotive’s cars (because Softronic is not powering EVOMS built cars), my feable mind can only conceive of two possible explanations. The first possibility is that Protomotive is writing software for Softronic. The second possibility is that Softronic is writing software for Protomotive. Perhaps there is a third explanation, but I am far too dense to figure it out (and so are my Porsche brethren with whom I have discussed this amorphous issue).
The question is simple and straight forward: What is the relationship between Softronic and Protomotive? If the answer is that there is no relationship, what is the complete explanation for Vivid’s statement that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.” Marines should feel free to chime in here.
One important point of clarification: I see nothing wrong with using an outside vendor for programming support. Many outstanding tuners out-source some or all of their programming. I do, however, take exception with deception or concealment relating to such relationships. I am not suggesting that any such deception has occurred, but certain facts clearly have been concealed and I think the fine members of this forum deserve to know the facts. I apologize if the answer is self-evident and I missed it, or if there are glaring defects in the reasoning underlying my question. I readily admit that I am not the fastest salmon upstream. I am merely asking the question publicly that MANY others have asked privately.
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Why you ask have I made these observations? A few weeks ago, I read a post by Vivid’s owner wherein he made the following statement regarding his ECU programming partner, Softronic: “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here” ( https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1484398&postcount=18 ). This statement certainly got my attention, as well as many other long time forum members (I know because we privately discussed the possible interpretations of Vivid’s statement). I also read where several people asked Vivid to explain what it meant by this reference, but their inquiries were met with evasive responses and outright refusals to substantiate the claim. In other words, the statement has NEVER been explained, and the curious masses have been left to speculate and opine about how it is that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.”
As previous explained, the “fastest Porsches here” are built by either EVOMS or Protomotive (that may not be the case on other forums, but it most certainly is the case “here”). We all know that GIAC, in partnership with EVOMS, creates the programming for all of the fastest EVOMS built cars (EVOMS has always been very candid about its relationship with GIAC, even though Todd Z. does more programming in house than others give him credit for). Therefore, Vivid clearly was not referring to EVOMS when it stated that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.”
According to my inferior powers of deduction, that leaves only 996TTs built by Protomotive. Am I missing something? It appears that the only tuner Vivid could possibly have been referring to is Protomotive. Is Softronic software “powering a lot of the fastest Porsches” built by Protomotive?
Now, back to the title of this thread -- I have a simple and straight forward question: What is the relationship between Softronic and Protomotive (if there exists such a relationship)? I have always been led to believe that Protomotive does ALL of its programming in-house. In fact, Protomotive’s customers have often cited this fact when contrasting Protomotive to other tuners who may be, to some degree, dependant on outside vendors for tuning. However, if Softronic is “powering a lot of the fastest Porsches here,” which means Softronic is apparently powering some or all of Protomotive’s cars (because Softronic is not powering EVOMS built cars), my feable mind can only conceive of two possible explanations. The first possibility is that Protomotive is writing software for Softronic. The second possibility is that Softronic is writing software for Protomotive. Perhaps there is a third explanation, but I am far too dense to figure it out (and so are my Porsche brethren with whom I have discussed this amorphous issue).
The question is simple and straight forward: What is the relationship between Softronic and Protomotive? If the answer is that there is no relationship, what is the complete explanation for Vivid’s statement that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.” Marines should feel free to chime in here.
One important point of clarification: I see nothing wrong with using an outside vendor for programming support. Many outstanding tuners out-source some or all of their programming. I do, however, take exception with deception or concealment relating to such relationships. I am not suggesting that any such deception has occurred, but certain facts clearly have been concealed and I think the fine members of this forum deserve to know the facts. I apologize if the answer is self-evident and I missed it, or if there are glaring defects in the reasoning underlying my question. I readily admit that I am not the fastest salmon upstream. I am merely asking the question publicly that MANY others have asked privately.
Regards,
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Bottom line is, you are CONFIDENT, not SURE.
Not a big deal, the car's listed are indeed fast as hell, in those categories. I feel elsewhere, they test a whole different aspect of the car, but of course it's much harder getting a 100-200mph reading or something like that here in the states without having humongous one's.
Let me take a look at this list again!
Not a big deal, the car's listed are indeed fast as hell, in those categories. I feel elsewhere, they test a whole different aspect of the car, but of course it's much harder getting a 100-200mph reading or something like that here in the states without having humongous one's.
Let me take a look at this list again!
I agree, there is absolutely positively NO WAY you can definitively say that even half of the fastest Porsches are on 6speed or rennlist, I happen to know quite a few that Neils german connections work on that never see the internet. There are several tuners who are not on 6speed and rennlist, to say otherwise in inaccurate at best.
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I do not want to unnecessary extend this thread, but I would like to respond to a few comments made above.
First, the debate about whether the 6Speed lists maintained by Scott contain the fastest 996TTs on the planet is irrelevant. The genesis of this thread was Vivid’s statement that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here” (emphasis added). Vivid specifically refereed to the fastest Porsches “here.” That is why I looked to the list of the fastest cars “here” on 6Speed – that list corresponds directly to Vivid’s statement. Moreover, if you read my initial post carefully, you will see that I repeatedly noted that my analysis was limited to 6Speed cars, because that was the scope of Vivid’s statement, and I expressly recognized that other fast/faster cars likely exist. For example, the very first sentence of my post reads: “In is undisputed that the vast majority of the fastest 996TTs on this particular forum were built by either EVOMS or Protomotive” (emphasis added). I subsequently observed that “the ‘fastest Porsches here’ are built by either EVOMS or Protomotive (that may not be the case on other forums, but it most certainly is the case ‘here’)” (emphasis added). Finally, it is worth noting that Vivid never attempted to justify their statement by reference to non-6Speed cars. To the contrary, Vivid reiterated in this thread that its statement was made with reference to the fastest Porsches “here.” Therefore, to those who attempted to undermine my analysis by reference to non-6Speed cars, your comments are without merit.
Second, to those who suggested that I have ulterior motives, I respectfully disagree. I no longer own a Porsche and, therefore, I am blissfully free of any indentured servitude imposed by an ongoing relationship with a particular tuner. I have never done business with Vivid, nor even heard of them before they took 6Speed by storm, and I have no animosity towards Vivid. Thus, my comments are absolutely free of any hidden agenda or unspoken purpose.
Third to those who suggest that I have made a mountain out of a mole hill, or that I have been unnecessarily hard on Vivid, or that Vivid should get a free pass because of the time of year, or that all is fair in marketing, I again respectfully disagree. Vivid came on to 6Speed in a very loud and provocative manner. They repetitively promoted their products with a barrage of threads and posts. More importantly, they openly and brazenly disparaged other 6Speed sponsors with various accusations of inferior products and deceptive practices. As I said in a prior thread, I am amazed that Vivid was allowed to post its factually unsupported accusations against other 6Speed sponsors. IMHO, it was outrageous and should not have been permitted!
Then, Vivid boldly proclaimed to the entire 6Speed community that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.” They did not make this statement in a vacuum. Rather, Vivid made this statement in a thread they started to promote their products and their partnership with Softronic. Vivid made this statement for the specific purpose of selling their tuning packages “powered” by Softronic programming. Vivid told us that we should buy their packages because the same programming they are using “is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here” (at least that was the intended inference from their post). Vivid intended for potential customer to rely on the statement when deciding how to spend thousands of dollars. If Vivid’s statement was correct (I have formed a contrary opinion), that would have been a major selling point and it would likely have swayed many consumers to buy their products. It goes without saying that many people want products that are utilized by the “fastest Porsches.”
Based on the foregoing, it was entirely reasonable for me to ask Vivid to explain the basis for its bold statement. Of note, others had asked before me, but Vivid has skillfully evading their questions (read the prior threads). Tuners peddling their products on 6Speed must be prepared to support their claims about their products – claims that they make for the purpose of persuading 6Speed members to buy their products. Without this accountability, tuners would be free to say whatever they wanted, regardless of the truth, and the consumers would be exposed to rank fraud. I have spoken with several people who, like me, wanted to know the basis for Vivid’s statement. Given Vivid’s prior evasiveness, I and others were suspicious as to what was really going on. I had every right to ask the question.
It is telling that, after eight pages of posts, and counting, Vivid still has not explained its statement. After eight pages, we still do not know which of the “fastest Porsches here” are “powered” by Softronic. After eight pages, we still do not know whether these undisclosed “fastest Porsches here” actually use Softronic’s programming, or merely the cables and/or interface that delivers the programming. We still do not know whether Protomotive acquires programming from Softronic, or merely the cabling and interface used to install the programming. In other words, we do not have any of the answers I and others sought to obtain. Instead, Vivid has done nothing more than invite me to call them. Why will Vivid not post here that which they will tell me if I call them?
As I said upfront, I had never heard of Vivid before they invaded 6Speed with their barrage of promotional threads. Based on the way they have conducted themselves, including their blatant refusal to explain their promotional claims, and their factually unsupported attacks of other tuners (that they also refused to back-up), I now have an opinion of Vivid and it is anything but favorable. Personally, I think the “fastest Porsches here” are NOT “powered” by Softronic – at least not in the way that I understand the word “powered.” Softronic may have supplied a cable and/or interface used on one or more fast cars (although none of these cars have been identified) but, IMHO, the use of a cable or interface to install someone else’s programming does NOT qualify as “powering” the car. I personally believe that Vivid made its statement with the hope that the 6Speed community would infer a greater connection between Softronic and the “fastest cars here” than simply cabling. I personally believe that Vivid has been trapped in a corner, unable to explain a statement that it knows to be deceptive.
The foregoing are nothing more than my simpleton opinions and I do not claim factual support for them. To the contrary, given Vivid’s enduring refusal to explain its statement, I wholly lack the data necessary to form a factually based conclusion. Nevertheless, Vivid’s evasiveness speaks volumes to me.
While this thread did not succeed in eliciting the requested information, we did learn a considerable amount about Softronic and I am grateful for that. Candidly, I did not understand much of what Slausen posted about Softronic, but it sounded mighty impressive. Softronic sounds like the real deal! Moreover, as I have previously stated, the new packages offered by Vivid, in partnership with Softronic, sound promising. They certainly are well priced. If the performance lives up to expectations, it should be a solid option for those seeking to modify their 996TTs. I am very much in favor of new and innovative products.
Scott S., I do have one follow-up question, and please do not take this the wrong way because I have no idea what I am talking about: Does your interface and/or cabling include an executable file that pings for an internet connection and , when one is found, sends information back to Softronic regarding the software/programming being utilized by the tuner/customer that is using your interface/cabling to install their own software/programming?
Finally, to those who have accused me of being “condescending,” that most certainly was not my intent, but if I was, I sincerely apologize. I am an advocate by trade, and my writing style reflects that. I succeed in my profession because I do not let my adversaries BS me with evasive answers. I get the facts I need and I do not relent until that occurs. When my interrogation is directed at someone who is unable to defend themselves, it may appear oppressive. On the other hand, there is always a very simple and effective way to terminate my questioning: candidly disclose the whole truth. Unfortunately, that never occurred here.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE ENTIRE 6SPEED COMMUNITY!!!!!
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First, the debate about whether the 6Speed lists maintained by Scott contain the fastest 996TTs on the planet is irrelevant. The genesis of this thread was Vivid’s statement that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here” (emphasis added). Vivid specifically refereed to the fastest Porsches “here.” That is why I looked to the list of the fastest cars “here” on 6Speed – that list corresponds directly to Vivid’s statement. Moreover, if you read my initial post carefully, you will see that I repeatedly noted that my analysis was limited to 6Speed cars, because that was the scope of Vivid’s statement, and I expressly recognized that other fast/faster cars likely exist. For example, the very first sentence of my post reads: “In is undisputed that the vast majority of the fastest 996TTs on this particular forum were built by either EVOMS or Protomotive” (emphasis added). I subsequently observed that “the ‘fastest Porsches here’ are built by either EVOMS or Protomotive (that may not be the case on other forums, but it most certainly is the case ‘here’)” (emphasis added). Finally, it is worth noting that Vivid never attempted to justify their statement by reference to non-6Speed cars. To the contrary, Vivid reiterated in this thread that its statement was made with reference to the fastest Porsches “here.” Therefore, to those who attempted to undermine my analysis by reference to non-6Speed cars, your comments are without merit.
Second, to those who suggested that I have ulterior motives, I respectfully disagree. I no longer own a Porsche and, therefore, I am blissfully free of any indentured servitude imposed by an ongoing relationship with a particular tuner. I have never done business with Vivid, nor even heard of them before they took 6Speed by storm, and I have no animosity towards Vivid. Thus, my comments are absolutely free of any hidden agenda or unspoken purpose.
Third to those who suggest that I have made a mountain out of a mole hill, or that I have been unnecessarily hard on Vivid, or that Vivid should get a free pass because of the time of year, or that all is fair in marketing, I again respectfully disagree. Vivid came on to 6Speed in a very loud and provocative manner. They repetitively promoted their products with a barrage of threads and posts. More importantly, they openly and brazenly disparaged other 6Speed sponsors with various accusations of inferior products and deceptive practices. As I said in a prior thread, I am amazed that Vivid was allowed to post its factually unsupported accusations against other 6Speed sponsors. IMHO, it was outrageous and should not have been permitted!
Then, Vivid boldly proclaimed to the entire 6Speed community that “Softronic is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here.” They did not make this statement in a vacuum. Rather, Vivid made this statement in a thread they started to promote their products and their partnership with Softronic. Vivid made this statement for the specific purpose of selling their tuning packages “powered” by Softronic programming. Vivid told us that we should buy their packages because the same programming they are using “is what is powering alot of the fastest Porsches here” (at least that was the intended inference from their post). Vivid intended for potential customer to rely on the statement when deciding how to spend thousands of dollars. If Vivid’s statement was correct (I have formed a contrary opinion), that would have been a major selling point and it would likely have swayed many consumers to buy their products. It goes without saying that many people want products that are utilized by the “fastest Porsches.”
Based on the foregoing, it was entirely reasonable for me to ask Vivid to explain the basis for its bold statement. Of note, others had asked before me, but Vivid has skillfully evading their questions (read the prior threads). Tuners peddling their products on 6Speed must be prepared to support their claims about their products – claims that they make for the purpose of persuading 6Speed members to buy their products. Without this accountability, tuners would be free to say whatever they wanted, regardless of the truth, and the consumers would be exposed to rank fraud. I have spoken with several people who, like me, wanted to know the basis for Vivid’s statement. Given Vivid’s prior evasiveness, I and others were suspicious as to what was really going on. I had every right to ask the question.
It is telling that, after eight pages of posts, and counting, Vivid still has not explained its statement. After eight pages, we still do not know which of the “fastest Porsches here” are “powered” by Softronic. After eight pages, we still do not know whether these undisclosed “fastest Porsches here” actually use Softronic’s programming, or merely the cables and/or interface that delivers the programming. We still do not know whether Protomotive acquires programming from Softronic, or merely the cabling and interface used to install the programming. In other words, we do not have any of the answers I and others sought to obtain. Instead, Vivid has done nothing more than invite me to call them. Why will Vivid not post here that which they will tell me if I call them?
As I said upfront, I had never heard of Vivid before they invaded 6Speed with their barrage of promotional threads. Based on the way they have conducted themselves, including their blatant refusal to explain their promotional claims, and their factually unsupported attacks of other tuners (that they also refused to back-up), I now have an opinion of Vivid and it is anything but favorable. Personally, I think the “fastest Porsches here” are NOT “powered” by Softronic – at least not in the way that I understand the word “powered.” Softronic may have supplied a cable and/or interface used on one or more fast cars (although none of these cars have been identified) but, IMHO, the use of a cable or interface to install someone else’s programming does NOT qualify as “powering” the car. I personally believe that Vivid made its statement with the hope that the 6Speed community would infer a greater connection between Softronic and the “fastest cars here” than simply cabling. I personally believe that Vivid has been trapped in a corner, unable to explain a statement that it knows to be deceptive.
The foregoing are nothing more than my simpleton opinions and I do not claim factual support for them. To the contrary, given Vivid’s enduring refusal to explain its statement, I wholly lack the data necessary to form a factually based conclusion. Nevertheless, Vivid’s evasiveness speaks volumes to me.
While this thread did not succeed in eliciting the requested information, we did learn a considerable amount about Softronic and I am grateful for that. Candidly, I did not understand much of what Slausen posted about Softronic, but it sounded mighty impressive. Softronic sounds like the real deal! Moreover, as I have previously stated, the new packages offered by Vivid, in partnership with Softronic, sound promising. They certainly are well priced. If the performance lives up to expectations, it should be a solid option for those seeking to modify their 996TTs. I am very much in favor of new and innovative products.
Scott S., I do have one follow-up question, and please do not take this the wrong way because I have no idea what I am talking about: Does your interface and/or cabling include an executable file that pings for an internet connection and , when one is found, sends information back to Softronic regarding the software/programming being utilized by the tuner/customer that is using your interface/cabling to install their own software/programming?
Finally, to those who have accused me of being “condescending,” that most certainly was not my intent, but if I was, I sincerely apologize. I am an advocate by trade, and my writing style reflects that. I succeed in my profession because I do not let my adversaries BS me with evasive answers. I get the facts I need and I do not relent until that occurs. When my interrogation is directed at someone who is unable to defend themselves, it may appear oppressive. On the other hand, there is always a very simple and effective way to terminate my questioning: candidly disclose the whole truth. Unfortunately, that never occurred here.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE ENTIRE 6SPEED COMMUNITY!!!!!
Craig
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So using that logic; we can't say for "sure" that the guy who recently broke the world record for the 100 meter dash (Justin Gatlin with 9.76), is currently the fastest 100 meter sprinter in the world, because of the possibility that some guy we don't even know about, who maybe doesn't even compete, is running around out there? I don't think so.
My point? Rumors don't mean a thing without proof.
No matter what the competition is, verified results are the only ones that matter. And we have 'em.
My point? Rumors don't mean a thing without proof.
No matter what the competition is, verified results are the only ones that matter. And we have 'em.
I dont see how this applies.
#1 There arent many people training year round for 100 meter dashes that arent timed in some fashion. But of course there could be someone working their way up as we speak. You could have said that same thing about Asafa Powell a few months ago and Justin Gatlin would have potentially been faster until he actually did it.
But the difference still lies in that there are LOTS or people doing software for Porsches. And not all of them are on the internet. Hell not all of them are even concerned with 60-130's or 1/4 mile, they just want to street race, or have a fast car just because. May be dyno queens.
On top of that differing area conditions make it nearly impossible to compare one car to another car across the world. Different timing measures, altitudes, temperatures, all have an affect. And sorry, the 60-130 thread isnt comprehensive enough to do all of those things. Not to mention driver ability, still takes a worth while driver to accomplish this.
And finally, what about all the extra stuff people are doing to their cars? If car a is only faster because it had race gas, is gutted and the guy rapes the clutch every time, does that mean that they would have to state, fastest, full interior blah blah blah blah? It's way too complicated to figure it out that way and will never work.
#2 What if softronic did some RSR ECU's? Farnbacher, Flying Lizard etc. Are those not some of the fastest Porsches? Can anyone say for sure that they didnt? I know Farnbacher is a site sponsor, so they are on the site. GMG has cup cars which would count in my book as well. So unless somone has done in depth detailed study on exactly who uses softronic, this is stupid.
Either way, this thread is out of place and useless.
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Scott S., I do have one follow-up question, and please do not take this the wrong way because I have no idea what I am talking about: Does your interface and/or cabling include an executable file that pings for an internet connection and , when one is found, sends information back to Softronic regarding the software/programming being utilized by the tuner/customer that is using your interface/cabling to install their own software/programming?
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE ENTIRE 6SPEED COMMUNITY!!!!!
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Scott S., I do have one follow-up question, and please do not take this the wrong way because I have no idea what I am talking about: Does your interface and/or cabling include an executable file that pings for an internet connection and , when one is found, sends information back to Softronic regarding the software/programming being utilized by the tuner/customer that is using your interface/cabling to install their own software/programming?
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO THE ENTIRE 6SPEED COMMUNITY!!!!!
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1. Softronic or the Tuner using Softronic sends out a cable either with or without the data logging and diagnostic capabilities.
2. The customer can either download the Softronic software to read and write to the car or have it sent on a CD from the Tuner.
3. The customer installs the software and now plugs the cable into either a laptop that it was installed on or a desktop. 50ft cables are available for this and up to 100ft are ok.
4. Now an INTERNET connection is required to read and write.
5. the ignition to the car is turned on and the program executed. The program will read out the binary in the car. This includes the IPAS data, over revs, VIN, program ops, engine hours etc.
6. Now this info is uploaded to our server or tuners account.
7. Softronic or the specific tuner logs in and downloads an encrypted file. This file has all the information and the original Porsche binary with changes.
8. With other Softronic software any of this info or binary can be altered and saved as another 3 encrypted files. One is for the original Porsche file, another is the changes to over revs or any other non mapped data and the third is the Tuned file.
9. Softronic or the tuner now sends any or all of these files via email to their client.
10. The customer now clicks on any of these executable encrypted files to program the car with the ignition on and cable etc hooked up.
Softronic read times on a 7.8.4 DME is 45sec and writing is at 4 minutes total. The 5.2 systems read and write as fast as you press the executable software so no time could be measured other than a second or two.
I hope this answers your question? And no I did not mind it.
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The funny thing about this 8 page (!) thread from the bystander's perspective is that it revolves around what is pejoratively known outside the 996tt world as "mail order tunes". Bottom of the barrel stuff for those who can't afford a day at the dyno or at the track with ECU logging, editing, and programming software on their laptop. The main reason I'm selling my car is because there is (AFAIK) no end-user ECU calibration editing software available. It's readily available for many other marques. Yes, I believe there was a 6speed post months ago about how anyone with $15-20k can buy the software. Sounds reasonable to me. 
When I add a race exhaust as I recently did, I expect to go faster. But I didn't because my ECU calibration doesn't support the added torque capability. AFAIK (again), I'm hamstrung by the commanded torque values in the current calibration, and I have no tool in my garage to change that calibration. Game over.
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When I add a race exhaust as I recently did, I expect to go faster. But I didn't because my ECU calibration doesn't support the added torque capability. AFAIK (again), I'm hamstrung by the commanded torque values in the current calibration, and I have no tool in my garage to change that calibration. Game over.
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Wow that was long Craig, however I did find a part that I will answer. Let me just explain a little on how the system works. I will say that many Softronic clients are bound by certain agreements and they are NOT aloud to disclose information. I can say that once in a while one may offer more than is aloud and the situation is explained to them. I'm sure most people can understand that.
1. Softronic or the Tuner using Softronic sends out a cable either with or without the data logging and diagnostic capabilities.
2. The customer can either download the Softronic software to read and write to the car or have it sent on a CD from the Tuner.
3. The customer installs the software and now plugs the cable into either a laptop that it was installed on or a desktop. 50ft cables are available for this and up to 100ft are ok.
4. Now an INTERNET connection is required to read and write.
5. the ignition to the car is turned on and the program executed. The program will read out the binary in the car. This includes the IPAS data, over revs, VIN, program ops, engine hours etc.
6. Now this info is uploaded to our server or tuners account.
7. Softronic or the specific tuner logs in and downloads an encrypted file. This file has all the information and the original Porsche binary with changes.
8. With other Softronic software any of this info or binary can be altered and saved as another 3 encrypted files. One is for the original Porsche file, another is the changes to over revs or any other non mapped data and the third is the Tuned file.
9. Softronic or the tuner now sends any or all of these files via email to their client.
10. The customer now clicks on any of these executable encrypted files to program the car with the ignition on and cable etc hooked up.
Softronic read times on a 7.8.4 DME is 45sec and writing is at 4 minutes total. The 5.2 systems read and write as fast as you press the executable software so no time could be measured other than a second or two.
I hope this answers your question? And no I did not mind it.
Best
1. Softronic or the Tuner using Softronic sends out a cable either with or without the data logging and diagnostic capabilities.
2. The customer can either download the Softronic software to read and write to the car or have it sent on a CD from the Tuner.
3. The customer installs the software and now plugs the cable into either a laptop that it was installed on or a desktop. 50ft cables are available for this and up to 100ft are ok.
4. Now an INTERNET connection is required to read and write.
5. the ignition to the car is turned on and the program executed. The program will read out the binary in the car. This includes the IPAS data, over revs, VIN, program ops, engine hours etc.
6. Now this info is uploaded to our server or tuners account.
7. Softronic or the specific tuner logs in and downloads an encrypted file. This file has all the information and the original Porsche binary with changes.
8. With other Softronic software any of this info or binary can be altered and saved as another 3 encrypted files. One is for the original Porsche file, another is the changes to over revs or any other non mapped data and the third is the Tuned file.
9. Softronic or the tuner now sends any or all of these files via email to their client.
10. The customer now clicks on any of these executable encrypted files to program the car with the ignition on and cable etc hooked up.
Softronic read times on a 7.8.4 DME is 45sec and writing is at 4 minutes total. The 5.2 systems read and write as fast as you press the executable software so no time could be measured other than a second or two.
I hope this answers your question? And no I did not mind it.
Best
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Wow that was long Craig, however I did find a part that I will answer. Let me just explain a little on how the system works. I will say that many Softronic clients are bound by certain agreements and they are NOT aloud to disclose information. I can say that once in a while one may offer more than is aloud and the situation is explained to them. I'm sure most people can understand that.
1. Softronic or the Tuner using Softronic sends out a cable either with or without the data logging and diagnostic capabilities.
2. The customer can either download the Softronic software to read and write to the car or have it sent on a CD from the Tuner.
3. The customer installs the software and now plugs the cable into either a laptop that it was installed on or a desktop. 50ft cables are available for this and up to 100ft are ok.
4. Now an INTERNET connection is required to read and write.
5. the ignition to the car is turned on and the program executed. The program will read out the binary in the car. This includes the IPAS data, over revs, VIN, program ops, engine hours etc.
6. Now this info is uploaded to our server or tuners account.
1. Softronic or the Tuner using Softronic sends out a cable either with or without the data logging and diagnostic capabilities.
2. The customer can either download the Softronic software to read and write to the car or have it sent on a CD from the Tuner.
3. The customer installs the software and now plugs the cable into either a laptop that it was installed on or a desktop. 50ft cables are available for this and up to 100ft are ok.
4. Now an INTERNET connection is required to read and write.
5. the ignition to the car is turned on and the program executed. The program will read out the binary in the car. This includes the IPAS data, over revs, VIN, program ops, engine hours etc.
6. Now this info is uploaded to our server or tuners account.
.... Wow
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The funny thing about this 8 page (!) thread from the bystander's perspective is that it revolves around what is pejoratively known outside the 996tt world as "mail order tunes". Bottom of the barrel stuff for those who can't afford a day at the dyno or at the track with ECU logging, editing, and programming software on their laptop.
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There seem to be pro's and con's to the factory ecu tuning. If your so set on being able to tune your car 100% or not 100% satisfied with the aftermarket options available with the ecu, why not wire in your own aftermarket ecu like a Motec or other brand and then you will have full control over your tuning and you can do it yourself. Not trying to change the subject or be negative, just trying to offer you a solution.
When I add a race exhaust as I recently did, I expect to go faster. But I didn't because my ECU calibration doesn't support the added torque capability. AFAIK (again), I'm hamstrung by the commanded torque values in the current calibration, and I have no tool in my garage to change that calibration. Game over.
Jeff
When I add a race exhaust as I recently did, I expect to go faster. But I didn't because my ECU calibration doesn't support the added torque capability. AFAIK (again), I'm hamstrung by the commanded torque values in the current calibration, and I have no tool in my garage to change that calibration. Game over.
Jeff