save some money buy the

GTR!

I think it might hold its value a bit better...

I heard they were making about 2000 ZR1
per year.

 

Yeah maybe true, but I don't think it's going to make that much difference to the results we're seeing.

When the GTR raced in the Australian Touring Car Championship between 1990-1992, it won something like 12 out of 14 races, including a 12 hour endurance.

They continually tried to handicap it with weight penalties to no avail.
They had to eventually ban it.

It's wise to wait and try it out as you've suggested, but in the meantime, try and resist the temptation to jump on the wagon of some of the delusional fanboys who deny every mag result where the GTR shines as just hype.

Australian racing car fans as well as those who have driven even the early versions, will tell you it's no hype.

Look's I'll grant you is another matter.

 

Lucky dude!

A side trip...hahaha...did you cycle there or take public transport?
Hope the hosties are looking after you.

Is Kevin working some more magic on your turbo's?

I reckon a charcoal GTR in your garage would look great.

chat soon.

 

When would he have driven one??????

 

problem is that the only real test I have seen is the R and T and motorweek which I posted a quote from. What other rags have had tests? I'd like to check them out.

There is no doubt that the old skyline has a great rep in japan and asia. However, I wonder why it never entered into the LeMans GT/GTS classes to compete against Vettes, Vipers and GT2's both in Europe and the American LeMans circuit n the US. It would have qualified with no problem. I think that would have done wonders for sales and it wold have proven itself against world class competition sponsored by world class competitors.

The ideology behind the GTR is basically like porsche, technology, technology, technology, vs the vette and viper which use low tech high cubic inches to get the same result. Performance wise they are all very close. My point is that we need to see more examples of this NEW model which is totally different than the models you spoke of winning in Oz.

Let's face it, the old skyline got itself spanked in the 1/4 by the stock 911 turbo and that same turbo held it's own against the skyline on the track after having gone all out in a race against a 360 with hot motor and worn tires. The new skyline is a totally different animal and unless you have multiple track results showing how it worked over a ZO6 or anything else, I think it is prudent to wait a bit before getting one.

 

I'll await the arrival and then we'll see what's what... some of us are thinking in terms of "modified" vs. stock, and that's just not fair... i've been very guilty of that, and had to be reminded again and again... The GT-R, in stock trim, is very impressive. However, I think the phanbouyz and the press are doing this car a huge disservice. Expectations are going to force the price higher than the $20+K markup I was qouted to get on the list. Looks are subjective, so I'll just forget those comments from this point forward...

Now what I AM hearing is that the Jspec version is not allowing software/hardware upgrades without a huge headache for the tuners... They may eventually crack the tuning code, but what Im' hearing is the car is not friendly to powermods... Certainly not to the level that the 996TT/997TT have been...

Again, let's await the arrival and see how it stacks up...
Mike

 

Maybe in one of his trips?

 

I am sure the price will be no where near the ZO6 and I am betting as I have said before that it will come in at 85k.

The reason why it does not lend well to aftermarket tune is because it has already been highly squeezed from the factory. All the mods that 911TT owners do to their rides, like better intake and ECU have already been done on the skyline. However, you can still go high with the skyline and do much larger turbos and crank out high Hp.

 

You're right about the effect on mark up, but I think that was always on the cards....given the orchestrated suspense...long gestation period, Nissan's own expectations etc. The deniers are certainly not going to offset this effect with nonsensical dribble that every mag result is biased. Quite the opposite!

 

then again Nissan could play a little and pump the HP on that thing to 550 or something and drop a bomb on us

 

Locally the Nissan is going for List + $30K == Over $100K

Not great value (and it is ugly)

Z06 is way better Value!!!

MK

 

No way. If that car came in at 100k, it would kill itself in the states. I can't emaigine anyone who would take that car at 100k when they can get vettes and vipers for less and a new 997tt for a little more. If you can afford 100k, chances are you can afford 130k.

I think the max will be more like 85k. But if Nissan is smart it will bring the skyline in at 55k. I would wait. preorders are where you get hosed anyway. This is true for all models and makes

 

Check out Google or other GTR threads here, there's dozens of tests all pointing to the same conclusion.

Good question..not sure.

I've uploaded a recent comparison between R32-R35 on a short tight track in Perth, which should have worked against the heavy R35. Summary below..." The R35 is not just a big step forward,it's a pole vault."

Agree, but see my comments above.With a simple ecu upgrade and exhaust, my 2001tt can match the 997tt .Therein lies the "difficulty" for Porsche.

There has been a gentle performance evolution from 993tt-996tt and 997tt.
(and that's good for 993tt and 996tt owners!) Not so with the competition...and I don't just mean the GTR.

 

man, I was trying to read it, but it is just to small. is there anyway to make the jpeg bigger?

 

Sorry about that.
It's tricky to get the mag flat with one hand to scan..I have a fractured wrist.

I'll try again later when I have some help. But you can see that even on a small track, there is a vast difference in performance between the R35 and the earlier models.