NISSAN Runs a 7:27.5 in 2010 GTR at the Ring
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If Nissan really wanted to prove to us this car is no ringer, wouldn't it be easy enough to provide a means of weighing the car (or do they already have scales at the track?), and then provide GPS data as the car circles the track (or allow independents to set up their own means of collecting GPS data), then knowing weight and acceleration couldn't one easily calculate horsepower figures and whatever other data might be helpful? And, does what I just said make any damn sense whatsoever?
You let them drag you into it bro. 
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It appears as if ring times are becoming a new standard like 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. Perhaps car companies will need to start doing something like this if they are to be believed. Just a thought.
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(read: not exactly like top gear, but similar)
either that or simple trip to the local scales, weigh the driver, dyno the car (nice baseline for all auto's), and take that car as is, straight to the starting grid, attache gps equipment and cameras - and run their laps.
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Oh but I forgot, Suzuki is magical and can drive a car 15 seconds faster than everyone else.
Except in F1 where he was just a mobile chicane, coming last or second last in every practice, qualifying and races.
LMAO !!
Except in F1 where he was just a mobile chicane, coming last or second last in every practice, qualifying and races.
LMAO !!
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you say that now, but wait a bit, it starts nice and then it goes bad. I will go ahead and paraphrase the next 20 pages and end it here.
ricer troll (RT): yo beeachis why u hatin on my dream ride
HC: it's not hate, just simple physics
RT: simple physics is 13 miles in 7:27 beeaj
HC: physics will tell you that a 4000 lbs car wearing street rubber no larger than 275 cannot possibly do this. You see if you draw a vector from the COM(Center Of Mass) of the GTR to the virtual center of the turning circle around each bend you can determine the G-forces a car that weight would generate, from this I have calculated that the friction required from the tires to hold the car in line is beyond that of any tire currently available on this planet.
RT: whaa? look yo, I don't know nothing about COMS and friction, but yo it did 7:27, yah that's right 7:27 beeach
HC: look it is not possible, you are not logical in your thinking and you are not stating your point well.
RT: look yo, u gotts problems pops.
RT2: waazupp, GTR rulz.
HC: How so? how does it rule? what science do you base your facts on?
RT2: waazup pops, u got ur panties in a bunch
P-Fan: The GTR is ugly and Fat. I agree with HC.
HC: you agree with me? you don't even know anything
P-fan: daim dude what a way to throw someone on your side under the bus bro.
RT: GTR smoked it bad, and it wuz physics
HC: what do you know about physics? that an apple falls down?
CJV: guys lets not get excited here or infractions to all of you.
GTRowner: why so much hatred of our cars
P-fan2: not hatred bro, just disgust, always throwing the GTR in our face in our forum.
GTRowner: but it is one of you Porsche guys that always brings the subject up in your own forum.
P-fan: dang, he's right.
HC: that's all irrelevant, if you measure the roofline of the GTR, and devide it by it's clearence you will see that it is not possible for that car to generate such G-forces.
Newbie: Is this the GTR forum?
CJV: guys I am locking this thread, no informational purpose is had by this discussion.
(just joking so don't take it personal, anyone)
ricer troll (RT): yo beeachis why u hatin on my dream ride
HC: it's not hate, just simple physics
RT: simple physics is 13 miles in 7:27 beeaj
HC: physics will tell you that a 4000 lbs car wearing street rubber no larger than 275 cannot possibly do this. You see if you draw a vector from the COM(Center Of Mass) of the GTR to the virtual center of the turning circle around each bend you can determine the G-forces a car that weight would generate, from this I have calculated that the friction required from the tires to hold the car in line is beyond that of any tire currently available on this planet.
RT: whaa? look yo, I don't know nothing about COMS and friction, but yo it did 7:27, yah that's right 7:27 beeach
HC: look it is not possible, you are not logical in your thinking and you are not stating your point well.
RT: look yo, u gotts problems pops.
RT2: waazupp, GTR rulz.
HC: How so? how does it rule? what science do you base your facts on?
RT2: waazup pops, u got ur panties in a bunch
P-Fan: The GTR is ugly and Fat. I agree with HC.
HC: you agree with me? you don't even know anything
P-fan: daim dude what a way to throw someone on your side under the bus bro.
RT: GTR smoked it bad, and it wuz physics
HC: what do you know about physics? that an apple falls down?
CJV: guys lets not get excited here or infractions to all of you.
GTRowner: why so much hatred of our cars
P-fan2: not hatred bro, just disgust, always throwing the GTR in our face in our forum.
GTRowner: but it is one of you Porsche guys that always brings the subject up in your own forum.
P-fan: dang, he's right.
HC: that's all irrelevant, if you measure the roofline of the GTR, and devide it by it's clearence you will see that it is not possible for that car to generate such G-forces.
Newbie: Is this the GTR forum?
CJV: guys I am locking this thread, no informational purpose is had by this discussion.
(just joking so don't take it personal, anyone)
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Oh there you are!!! I thought you FORGOT you started this thread!!
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what's your point?
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The best time for the 997TT is 7:38 at the ring
Best time for 997 GT2 is 7:31 at the ring
The 997TT did a time of 1:45.33 with senna
The GTR did it in 1:45.08
http://www.webridestv.com/videos/nis...th-gear-129904
Presuming that based on time this track is 1/4 as long as the ring and multiplying the difference between the turbo and the GTR is 1 full second. Hence the GTR should cut a 7:37 at the ring with the best possible driver.
The difference between the GT2 and the GTR from above is 6 seconds.
the link below shows a driver running both the GT2 and the GTR at the ring and the times were 7:49 for the GT2 and 7:55.9 for the GTR, again about 6-7 seconds slower is the GTR. The GT2 is manual.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/por...ing-explained/
No matter how you coat it the GTR is a fast car. Is Nissans time accurate or a lie? I don't know, but I do know that any car that can nestle itself between the 997tt and the 997GT2 is a fast car. Everyone says that the car is easy to drive and probably easier than the GT2. Everyone testing it also says the transmission is far better at shifting than the tiptronic and obviously better than a manual. Definitely a key to the GTR's performance. It was also it's achiles heal. But that may have been fixed.
Would I buy one over a 997tt even if it is faster? no way. But that is my choice.
the above tests were independent so I think they can be very credible.
Best time for 997 GT2 is 7:31 at the ring
The 997TT did a time of 1:45.33 with senna
The GTR did it in 1:45.08
http://www.webridestv.com/videos/nis...th-gear-129904
Presuming that based on time this track is 1/4 as long as the ring and multiplying the difference between the turbo and the GTR is 1 full second. Hence the GTR should cut a 7:37 at the ring with the best possible driver.
The difference between the GT2 and the GTR from above is 6 seconds.
the link below shows a driver running both the GT2 and the GTR at the ring and the times were 7:49 for the GT2 and 7:55.9 for the GTR, again about 6-7 seconds slower is the GTR. The GT2 is manual.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/por...ing-explained/
No matter how you coat it the GTR is a fast car. Is Nissans time accurate or a lie? I don't know, but I do know that any car that can nestle itself between the 997tt and the 997GT2 is a fast car. Everyone says that the car is easy to drive and probably easier than the GT2. Everyone testing it also says the transmission is far better at shifting than the tiptronic and obviously better than a manual. Definitely a key to the GTR's performance. It was also it's achiles heal. But that may have been fixed.
Would I buy one over a 997tt even if it is faster? no way. But that is my choice.
the above tests were independent so I think they can be very credible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIP1Wbt6Rs
the above video shows what the first two show as well. The GTR is fast but by no means as great as Nissan claims. Again, if you take iout the Nissan trickery and lying and just let the cars run, the truth will come out, but you will never have that as long as nissan provides the cars for the tests.
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My goodness, that Australia top gear is AWEFUL! Couldn't they have tried at least something original? That was painful to watch. Stig looks the same, set looks the same, lame attempt at stig intro, bootleg test track, not so great (or funny) hosts. Ewe.
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This thread has provided a bunch of entertainment and I know most of you guys have been tongue in cheek about your posts. Regarding the downplaying of the F1 drivers, though, I can say that anyone who has driven an F1 car around a track, whether in first or last place, has my respect. These cars are very difficult to drive and even harder to drive fast. Whether it's Suzuki, Sutil, or Hamilton, all of these guys are super skilled drivers. A good example is the big shakeup the new rules have provided. Last year most people would have put J. Button in the same category as Suzuki as a perennial loser who couldn't hack Formula 1. This year he gets a strong car, wins the first two races, and comes in third last weekend.
Here's another example. If you were watching the race in China you saw the rally champ from Bahrain destroy an 08 F1 Renault. Although there's some conjecture whether there was a malfunction somewhere, it looks like the guy just lost it, and he's clearly a very accomplished race driver. IMO, it's easier to find a good F-16 pilot than a someone who can even keep an F1 car on the pavement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJpURLp4wYI
Here's another example. If you were watching the race in China you saw the rally champ from Bahrain destroy an 08 F1 Renault. Although there's some conjecture whether there was a malfunction somewhere, it looks like the guy just lost it, and he's clearly a very accomplished race driver. IMO, it's easier to find a good F-16 pilot than a someone who can even keep an F1 car on the pavement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJpURLp4wYI