Ultra-modded 996tt
Ultra-modded 996tt
I was at Beverly Hills Porsche this morning and they had a 996TT there that had more modifications than any 996TT I have ever seen, including some mods that I don’t even understand (which doesn’t mean much given my lack of technical knowledge). I think the mods may have been done by Protomotive, but that’s just a guess. The car is owned by a guy in El Paso, Texas, but he only allows one particular mechanic in Beverly Hills to work on his car, so he flat beds the car back and forth to Beverly Hills whenever it needs repair. The car had a blown head gasket and the engine was out of the car, thereby allowing me an up close and personal look. The car is a medium shade of blue (didn’t look like a factory color), with a GT2 wing and the words “BITURBO†painted on the side, in small letters, just above the rocker panel. Does anyone here know this car?
The following is a summary of some of the mods – those with greater technical proficiency (just about everyone), please help me to understand some of these things:
The car had Garrett turbos and enormous intercoolers (the biggest intercoolers I have ever seen on a 996TT) – it looked like two stock intercoolers welded together – they were huge – and obviously custom piping between the turbos and intercoolers. I wouldn't have thought that such enormous intercoolers would fit -- perhaps other modifications were done to make room.
The cats said “Magnaflow†on them – I don’t think Magnaflow makes a bolt on exhaust for a 996TT – it appeared that the tuner custom fabricated an exhaust using Magnaflow cats, non-descript mufflers, and very large diameter custom piping.
Now here is where is gets weird (at least for me, and forgive me if my description is unclear): There was a small gauge metal pipe (approx 1 in outside diameter) running from the headers (at the collector) (on each side) to the exhaust tips, with a Tial wastegate/bov spliced into the middle of the pipe – let me be clear, this was not a cat bypass running off of the turbo – this pipe (on each side) was literally coming off of the header, at the collector, by passing the turbo, and running straight to the exhaust tip, with Tial wastegates in the middle – there was also a smaller gauge braided steel hose running from the Tial wastegate to a metal canister, and then from the metal canister to the turbos. I have never seen this before? What is this? Ive heard of Garrett turbos that employ lubricating devices for the ball bearings – is the metal canister adjacent to the turbos related to that? What about the pipe running off of the header – what is that?
The car also does not utilize the factory airbox. Rather, there are 12 in long, custom made pipes running off of the intake side of the turbos, with cone air filters at the end – the turbos draw air through independent cone filters. My question is this: What about the MAF? How does this car get around the MAF. I didn’t see any holes in either of the intake pipes for a MAF. Moreover, the ECU is calibrated for only one MAF, which is supposed to measure airflow to both turbos – how does one program around the MAF, or bolt the MAF on the intake for only one turbo? FWIW, these are not new questions . . . I have spoken with more than one tuner about precisely these issues, including two days ago, as it would be great to draw air from the intercooler inlets straight to the turbos, but the consensus among the folks I have spoken with (inc GIAC) is that it can’t be done safely and effectively because of the MAF. I know Protomotive has done it (thats why I assumed this car was tuned by them), but I have heard mixed info about how well it works.
The piping from the intercoolers to the TB was also custom and huge, with two Tial wastegates (one on each side) before the pipes merge. Likewise, the TB appeared much larger than stock.
Interestingly, with all these wild mods, the car was on stock wheels and tires.
Very interesting car!!!
Craig
The following is a summary of some of the mods – those with greater technical proficiency (just about everyone), please help me to understand some of these things:
The car had Garrett turbos and enormous intercoolers (the biggest intercoolers I have ever seen on a 996TT) – it looked like two stock intercoolers welded together – they were huge – and obviously custom piping between the turbos and intercoolers. I wouldn't have thought that such enormous intercoolers would fit -- perhaps other modifications were done to make room.
The cats said “Magnaflow†on them – I don’t think Magnaflow makes a bolt on exhaust for a 996TT – it appeared that the tuner custom fabricated an exhaust using Magnaflow cats, non-descript mufflers, and very large diameter custom piping.
Now here is where is gets weird (at least for me, and forgive me if my description is unclear): There was a small gauge metal pipe (approx 1 in outside diameter) running from the headers (at the collector) (on each side) to the exhaust tips, with a Tial wastegate/bov spliced into the middle of the pipe – let me be clear, this was not a cat bypass running off of the turbo – this pipe (on each side) was literally coming off of the header, at the collector, by passing the turbo, and running straight to the exhaust tip, with Tial wastegates in the middle – there was also a smaller gauge braided steel hose running from the Tial wastegate to a metal canister, and then from the metal canister to the turbos. I have never seen this before? What is this? Ive heard of Garrett turbos that employ lubricating devices for the ball bearings – is the metal canister adjacent to the turbos related to that? What about the pipe running off of the header – what is that?
The car also does not utilize the factory airbox. Rather, there are 12 in long, custom made pipes running off of the intake side of the turbos, with cone air filters at the end – the turbos draw air through independent cone filters. My question is this: What about the MAF? How does this car get around the MAF. I didn’t see any holes in either of the intake pipes for a MAF. Moreover, the ECU is calibrated for only one MAF, which is supposed to measure airflow to both turbos – how does one program around the MAF, or bolt the MAF on the intake for only one turbo? FWIW, these are not new questions . . . I have spoken with more than one tuner about precisely these issues, including two days ago, as it would be great to draw air from the intercooler inlets straight to the turbos, but the consensus among the folks I have spoken with (inc GIAC) is that it can’t be done safely and effectively because of the MAF. I know Protomotive has done it (thats why I assumed this car was tuned by them), but I have heard mixed info about how well it works.
The piping from the intercoolers to the TB was also custom and huge, with two Tial wastegates (one on each side) before the pipes merge. Likewise, the TB appeared much larger than stock.
Interestingly, with all these wild mods, the car was on stock wheels and tires.
Very interesting car!!!
Craig
Last edited by Craig; Oct 22, 2004 at 05:26 AM.
As I recall, Tyson's old car was dark blue . . . this one was medium blue (Royal blue). Moreover, Tyson's car had after-market wheels -- these were stock. BTW, it also had PCCB brakes.
Craig
Craig
Here is a photo of Tyson's old car -- definitely different. The car I saw was slightly lighter in color, had different exhaust tips (not Tyson's round tips), different exhaust (Tyson was not using Magnaflow cats), different wheels, and different brakes (Tyson had stock brakes). Moreover, Tyson's car didn't have a GT2 wing or the words "BITURBO" painted on the side.
http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0404ec_titans01/
Craig
http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0404ec_titans01/
Craig
Sounds like a hell of a car... and from the way you describe it, typically Protomotive.
Protomotive usually puts a sticker that is visible when you pop open the engine cover.
Like I said before, Protomotive's conversions are much more extreme than other tuners.
Protomotive usually puts a sticker that is visible when you pop open the engine cover.
Like I said before, Protomotive's conversions are much more extreme than other tuners.
That isn't Tyson's car. This car also was not done By Todd. It was done by a place in Fl and ultimately lost the motor. The owner had a CGT on order and once it came in has lost interest with the TT.
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Originally posted by PorschePhD
That isn't Tyson's car. This car also was not done By Todd. It was done by a place in Fl and ultimately lost the motor. The owner had a CGT on order and once it came in has lost interest with the TT.
That isn't Tyson's car. This car also was not done By Todd. It was done by a place in Fl and ultimately lost the motor. The owner had a CGT on order and once it came in has lost interest with the TT.
Todd Knighton has an East Coast affiliate in Florida called Proto Tech, run by a guy named Dave. If it's not Todd, it sounds like Dave's work. Protomotive does all their software, and Todd and Dave co-develop a lot of the hardware.
These guys held the record a few years back (not sure where they stand now) for the fastest street-legal Porsche at Bonneville with a 860hp 993 turbo running 1.4 bar.
These guys held the record a few years back (not sure where they stand now) for the fastest street-legal Porsche at Bonneville with a 860hp 993 turbo running 1.4 bar.
Originally posted by Hamann7
Todd Knighton has an East Coast affiliate in Florida called Proto Tech, run by a guy named Dave. If it's not Todd, it sounds like Dave's work. Protomotive does all their software, and Todd and Dave co-develop a lot of the hardware.
These guys held the record a few years back (not sure where they stand now) for the fastest street-legal Porsche at Bonneville with a 860hp 993 turbo running 1.4 bar.
Todd Knighton has an East Coast affiliate in Florida called Proto Tech, run by a guy named Dave. If it's not Todd, it sounds like Dave's work. Protomotive does all their software, and Todd and Dave co-develop a lot of the hardware.
These guys held the record a few years back (not sure where they stand now) for the fastest street-legal Porsche at Bonneville with a 860hp 993 turbo running 1.4 bar.
Originally posted by Hamann7
Todd Knighton has an East Coast affiliate in Florida called Proto Tech, run by a guy named Dave. If it's not Todd, it sounds like Dave's work. Protomotive does all their software, and Todd and Dave co-develop a lot of the hardware.
These guys held the record a few years back (not sure where they stand now) for the fastest street-legal Porsche at Bonneville with a 860hp 993 turbo running 1.4 bar.
Todd Knighton has an East Coast affiliate in Florida called Proto Tech, run by a guy named Dave. If it's not Todd, it sounds like Dave's work. Protomotive does all their software, and Todd and Dave co-develop a lot of the hardware.
These guys held the record a few years back (not sure where they stand now) for the fastest street-legal Porsche at Bonneville with a 860hp 993 turbo running 1.4 bar.
I am sure that he has probably done some great cars and has served many others well. That just was not my experience in my own opinion.
I have no experience with Dave firsthand, but I do know that various people have had problems with him. Wilber's original exhaust was fabricated by Dave, and it cracked....
Allan, it does not surprise me that your car beat his 930. Protomotive and Proto Tech use almost identical approaches to tuning, but Todd and Cynthia's work tends to be more consistent according to what I've heard. Then again, who knows.
Allan, it does not surprise me that your car beat his 930. Protomotive and Proto Tech use almost identical approaches to tuning, but Todd and Cynthia's work tends to be more consistent according to what I've heard. Then again, who knows.
Last edited by Hamann7; Oct 22, 2004 at 07:02 AM.
Originally posted by Craig
Now here is where is gets weird (at least for me, and forgive me if my description is unclear): There was a small gauge metal pipe (approx 1 in outside diameter) running from the headers (at the collector) (on each side) to the exhaust tips, with a Tial wastegate/bov spliced into the middle of the pipe – let me be clear, this was not a cat bypass running off of the turbo – this pipe (on each side) was literally coming off of the header, at the collector, by passing the turbo, and running straight to the exhaust tip, with Tial wastegates in the middle – there was also a smaller gauge braided steel hose running from the Tial wastegate to a metal canister, and then from the metal canister to the turbos. I have never seen this before? What is this? Ive heard of Garrett turbos that employ lubricating devices for the ball bearings – is the metal canister adjacent to the turbos related to that? What about the pipe running off of the header – what is that?
Now here is where is gets weird (at least for me, and forgive me if my description is unclear): There was a small gauge metal pipe (approx 1 in outside diameter) running from the headers (at the collector) (on each side) to the exhaust tips, with a Tial wastegate/bov spliced into the middle of the pipe – let me be clear, this was not a cat bypass running off of the turbo – this pipe (on each side) was literally coming off of the header, at the collector, by passing the turbo, and running straight to the exhaust tip, with Tial wastegates in the middle – there was also a smaller gauge braided steel hose running from the Tial wastegate to a metal canister, and then from the metal canister to the turbos. I have never seen this before? What is this? Ive heard of Garrett turbos that employ lubricating devices for the ball bearings – is the metal canister adjacent to the turbos related to that? What about the pipe running off of the header – what is that?
Originally posted by Craig
The car also does not utilize the factory airbox. Rather, there are 12 in long, custom made pipes running off of the intake side of the turbos, with cone air filters at the end – the turbos draw air through independent cone filters. My question is this: What about the MAF? How does this car get around the MAF. I didn’t see any holes in either of the intake pipes for a MAF. Moreover, the ECU is calibrated for only one MAF, which is supposed to measure airflow to both turbos – how does one program around the MAF, or bolt the MAF on the intake for only one turbo? FWIW, these are not new questions . . . I have spoken with more than one tuner about precisely these issues, including two days ago, as it would be great to draw air from the intercooler inlets straight to the turbos, but the consensus among the folks I have spoken with (inc GIAC) is that it can’t be done safely and effectively because of the MAF. I know Protomotive has done it (thats why I assumed this car was tuned by them), but I have heard mixed info about how well it works.
The car also does not utilize the factory airbox. Rather, there are 12 in long, custom made pipes running off of the intake side of the turbos, with cone air filters at the end – the turbos draw air through independent cone filters. My question is this: What about the MAF? How does this car get around the MAF. I didn’t see any holes in either of the intake pipes for a MAF. Moreover, the ECU is calibrated for only one MAF, which is supposed to measure airflow to both turbos – how does one program around the MAF, or bolt the MAF on the intake for only one turbo? FWIW, these are not new questions . . . I have spoken with more than one tuner about precisely these issues, including two days ago, as it would be great to draw air from the intercooler inlets straight to the turbos, but the consensus among the folks I have spoken with (inc GIAC) is that it can’t be done safely and effectively because of the MAF. I know Protomotive has done it (thats why I assumed this car was tuned by them), but I have heard mixed info about how well it works.






