2005 porsche tt or nissan gt-r
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Wow. This was an old thread. I guess, good for you for using an existing one, rather than creating a new one...
How did we miss these gems?:
Didn't know Playstation existed back in the '80s. Playstation (and other gaming consoles) made the GT-R ACCESSIBLE. The reason it became so popular, is because gaming consoles showed the rest of the world what so many already knew - the Skyline GT-R was an impressive car. It was already legendary by the time it hit video games back in the early-mid 90's.
lol! My how times change.
How did we miss these gems?:
Didn't know Playstation existed back in the '80s. Playstation (and other gaming consoles) made the GT-R ACCESSIBLE. The reason it became so popular, is because gaming consoles showed the rest of the world what so many already knew - the Skyline GT-R was an impressive car. It was already legendary by the time it hit video games back in the early-mid 90's.
lol! My how times change.
Playstation, best motoring questionable times and lies (10.0 second Nismo, sub 8 nurburgring) made the gtr popular worldwide. They are the reason 100 teenage boys gather to slobber on gtr's when they see one. Most of them have no clue about the gtr racing. Just Playstation and internet.
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lol! I hope so. New they were $72K (base model was $69).
After 5 1/2 years, my $73k (including dest fees), my 2009 is still worth ~$55k-60k.
Not bad, but there are a LOT of factors that have affected this.
After 5 1/2 years, my $73k (including dest fees), my 2009 is still worth ~$55k-60k.
Not bad, but there are a LOT of factors that have affected this.
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Semantics.....
Playstation, best motoring questionable times and lies (10.0 second Nismo, sub 8 nurburgring) made the gtr popular worldwide. They are the reason 100 teenage boys gather to slobber on gtr's when they see one. Most of them have no clue about the gtr racing. Just Playstation and internet.
Playstation, best motoring questionable times and lies (10.0 second Nismo, sub 8 nurburgring) made the gtr popular worldwide. They are the reason 100 teenage boys gather to slobber on gtr's when they see one. Most of them have no clue about the gtr racing. Just Playstation and internet.
I often see people say,"Did you have a picture of a Nissan on your wall growing up? No, it was a Porsche (or Ferrari, or Lamborghini)."
Not anymore.
So for kids who used to slobber over Porsches and Ferraris (because there was no internet and Playstation back in those days), there is now the GT-R, R8, Veyron, Zonda, etc.... Playstation and the internet didn't make the GT-R perform great... it was just the catalyst that people finally learned there are other cars in the world can perform really well.
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A lot of these kids you talk about probably have never sat in or driven that car. I have done both. For what you are buying its cheap interior wise and that's what you shouldn't expect from a 100k+ car. I would be tired of that car in a month after the new factor. You are basically paying for the engine and computer. That car is so boring, unless you are into huge power and straight line racing I see no point to buy one. You don't drive the car, it drives itself, for a weekend toy I want something that's fun, responsive and agile, in my opinion that's not a GTR. The GTR does not have that wow factor a Porsche or Ferrari gets, not saying that's the reason behind buying one but its an added bonus. All in all for what you are paying new, you should get a lot more then just an engine that can be modified for big power. Regardless its big bucks once you get over the 600/650whp/tq range anyhow to make it handle the power. Also a tranny to hold 1000+ is a lot more then a tranny to hold sub 1000. You are talking 25k for tranny work alone for 1000+. When its all said and done its not a car that's worth investing 75k after the initial buy of 100k. Put it this way, if someone wins the lotto, they aren't going out and buying a GTR they are buying the Ferrari.
Don't get me wrong, if I win the lotto I will have a 2000hp GTR, LOL.
Don't get me wrong, if I win the lotto I will have a 2000hp GTR, LOL.
Wow factor is your opinion.
GT-R handles better on turns than just about every other street car in existence (except for the 918 Spyder).
GT-R doesn't come with more than 1000HP, so HP rating vs cost is irrelevant.
The GT-R has met it's sales goal every year since its inception - so apparently it is worth what people are paying.
And - I wasn't talking about the actual car in that post - but responding to the Playstation comments.
I think that pretty much negates your entire post.
To add to that Playstation response I made - Gaming provided education for people in America (and other countries) that knew NOTHING about the Skyline GT-R, simply because it wasn't there (a lot like Noble, etc...). I can't see blaming a car company for something many gaming companies did - just provide a graphical user experience based on what already exists. Let's not pretend that gaming companies engineered the car - it is the opposite: The gaming companies ported what was already there. The fact that people like it is a representation that they like what was already there.
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Heavily opinionated debates will never stop, why I am done responding to you. I can not deal with fan boys that will never admit faults with whatever car they own. It's a self esteem issue obviously deep routed lol. Main reason why you are in a Porsche forum defending the GTR. Hmmmmm, food for thought.
I didn't realize we were discussing faults now. I just saw crap come from all directions (unsolicited). Do you think I actually own a GT-R? Or just have a picture of one... ??? Really. This never came up in the discussion. You seem to be able to learn a lot from several posts.
Enjoy your world.
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There is a sliding scale of how much the driver does for the car and how much the car does for the driver and the gtr tops the list in terms of how it's programmed to help the driver. That much is clear to anyone who isn't trying hard enough not to see it.
Tell the guy who went 8 seconds in his first day at the drag strip in ANY car that the gtr didn't do the work.... lol. With only a few pointers. Any ******** can go fast in a gtr. You can't make that claim for any other cars as fast or faster.
gtr heroism hasn't gotten any less old.
Tell the guy who went 8 seconds in his first day at the drag strip in ANY car that the gtr didn't do the work.... lol. With only a few pointers. Any ******** can go fast in a gtr. You can't make that claim for any other cars as fast or faster.
gtr heroism hasn't gotten any less old.
Cars don't drive themselves.
Wow factor is your opinion.
GT-R handles better on turns than just about every other street car in existence (except for the 918 Spyder).
GT-R doesn't come with more than 1000HP, so HP rating vs cost is irrelevant.
The GT-R has met it's sales goal every year since its inception - so apparently it is worth what people are paying.
And - I wasn't talking about the actual car in that post - but responding to the Playstation comments.
I think that pretty much negates your entire post.
To add to that Playstation response I made - Gaming provided education for people in America (and other countries) that knew NOTHING about the Skyline GT-R, simply because it wasn't there (a lot like Noble, etc...). I can't see blaming a car company for something many gaming companies did - just provide a graphical user experience based on what already exists. Let's not pretend that gaming companies engineered the car - it is the opposite: The gaming companies ported what was already there. The fact that people like it is a representation that they like what was already there.
Wow factor is your opinion.
GT-R handles better on turns than just about every other street car in existence (except for the 918 Spyder).
GT-R doesn't come with more than 1000HP, so HP rating vs cost is irrelevant.
The GT-R has met it's sales goal every year since its inception - so apparently it is worth what people are paying.
And - I wasn't talking about the actual car in that post - but responding to the Playstation comments.
I think that pretty much negates your entire post.
To add to that Playstation response I made - Gaming provided education for people in America (and other countries) that knew NOTHING about the Skyline GT-R, simply because it wasn't there (a lot like Noble, etc...). I can't see blaming a car company for something many gaming companies did - just provide a graphical user experience based on what already exists. Let's not pretend that gaming companies engineered the car - it is the opposite: The gaming companies ported what was already there. The fact that people like it is a representation that they like what was already there.
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It's a pissing contest all around.
Ultimately, I find the TT to be incredibly engaging and frolicsome whether I'm commuting, out for a brisk sunday drive, or at the track. With substance and capability that goes deep in all areas. That speaks to me more than anything and is why it's my indulgent choice.
The GT-R leaves me cold when I'm not looking for pure numbers.
Ultimately, I find the TT to be incredibly engaging and frolicsome whether I'm commuting, out for a brisk sunday drive, or at the track. With substance and capability that goes deep in all areas. That speaks to me more than anything and is why it's my indulgent choice.
The GT-R leaves me cold when I'm not looking for pure numbers.
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My good friend bought the Cobb TT GT-R, has paid a pro race shop for 2 years now to develop it ( they are a bunch of clowns IMO) spent god knows what, it's now just barely starting to run times= to my c5 z06 st1 car and its a STU car, that said, I still think it would make a great dd if you only had 1 car.
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The best thing about the GTR is that it has lifted the performance car stakes for all high end sports car manufacturers across the world.
0-60 in high 3's is now is regarded as slow for any new supercar.
As a stock unit, there is no other performance car on earth that can comes close to this one when talking bang for your bucks.
Think about how much faster and better the current 991 Turbo and Ferrari 458 is as a direct result of the GTR being faster than their previous models.
It just means our next performance cars in a few years time are going to be better than ever.
Personally, the 996 turbo has more desirability for me and the manual option is a big bonus.
0-60 in high 3's is now is regarded as slow for any new supercar.
As a stock unit, there is no other performance car on earth that can comes close to this one when talking bang for your bucks.
Think about how much faster and better the current 991 Turbo and Ferrari 458 is as a direct result of the GTR being faster than their previous models.
It just means our next performance cars in a few years time are going to be better than ever.
Personally, the 996 turbo has more desirability for me and the manual option is a big bonus.
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I like the GTR they look awesome and have super potential. Only problem is my wife and I like standard cars, Automatics are just out of the question. It's just too bad it comes with nothing but a slushbox...
It's pointless to argue GTR vs 911 on the internet. Its like arguing playstation vs xbox or IPhone vs. Android. There are no winners just a bunch of asshat losers arguing on the internet.
It's pointless to argue GTR vs 911 on the internet. Its like arguing playstation vs xbox or IPhone vs. Android. There are no winners just a bunch of asshat losers arguing on the internet.
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There is a sliding scale of how much the driver does for the car and how much the car does for the driver and the gtr tops the list in terms of how it's programmed to help the driver. That much is clear to anyone who isn't trying hard enough not to see it.
Tell the guy who went 8 seconds in his first day at the drag strip in ANY car that the gtr didn't do the work.... lol. With only a few pointers. Any ******** can go fast in a gtr. You can't make that claim for any other cars as fast or faster.
gtr heroism hasn't gotten any less old.
Tell the guy who went 8 seconds in his first day at the drag strip in ANY car that the gtr didn't do the work.... lol. With only a few pointers. Any ******** can go fast in a gtr. You can't make that claim for any other cars as fast or faster.
gtr heroism hasn't gotten any less old.
I've said similar things about going straight. It takes the exact same effort to run a 1/4 mile in a GT-R than it does running 991 Turbo S.
Going straight for several seconds takes little effort for anyone in practically any car.
Are we comparing drag racing or actual driving? Because one requires a monkey, the other requires a driver.
As for the individual who paid someone to work on a car for two years, that was either consensual R&D, or a really bad shop. Turn around for an 8sec street trim, full interior GT-R is only a month or so (sometimes less, depending on the shop).
Are we now comparing aftermarket GT-R's to 'Vettes or 996TT?
Can we please stick to a given subject?
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Tranny issues put me off the GTR along with £400 oil changes every 6 months or 6k miles, void warranty of you use the LC which is the only way you can achieve the quoted 0-60.
I also wanted a Porsche since being a little kid so the chance to buy one has been a dream come true. Besides, no-one thinks you're a ****** in a Nissan, only the Porsche can give you that title, so that's worth the money on it's own.
I also wanted a Porsche since being a little kid so the chance to buy one has been a dream come true. Besides, no-one thinks you're a ****** in a Nissan, only the Porsche can give you that title, so that's worth the money on it's own.
