996TT vs. GTR
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, he waited for the lag to go away, but it never did.
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Well we'll just have to agree to disagree... The 2010 model is making way more than it's 485HP rating, and using it very well. I was shocked at how closely its power deliver felt to my car and how fast it felt.
I don't know if one would hang with mine, since it's a 6 speed and I'm making somewhere north of 520WHP on 93 octane fuel, but I'd certainly not be surprised to see one sitting at my fender on a hard roll on pull... That's all I'm saying... It's a bad **** for such an ugly car.
Which begs the question, still... Why the HELL didn't they make that car's lines more sexy??? Ugh...
Mike
I don't know if one would hang with mine, since it's a 6 speed and I'm making somewhere north of 520WHP on 93 octane fuel, but I'd certainly not be surprised to see one sitting at my fender on a hard roll on pull... That's all I'm saying... It's a bad **** for such an ugly car.
Which begs the question, still... Why the HELL didn't they make that car's lines more sexy??? Ugh...
Mike
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Totally agreement with Mike. I've gone up against two 2010 GTR's. I'm stock X50 manual with exhaust, so i'm not pumping out much more power than stock. The GTR's pull like crazy. No flat spots, they just keep pulling. I have redone my entire suspension and I can outrun them in the twisties, but on the straights they are awesome cars. Too bad they look like a G37 on steriods. You'd think they would have gone more with the Z370 look or gotten more exotic like the NSX. I don't know what they are like from the dig because both guys had the launch control disabled when they took delivery due to warranty limitations. They me told if you keep launch control ability on you don't get a drivetrain warranty.
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Totally agreement with Mike. I've gone up against two 2010 GTR's. I'm stock X50 manual with exhaust, so i'm not pumping out much more power than stock. The GTR's pull like crazy. No flat spots, they just keep pulling. I have redone my entire suspension and I can outrun them in the twisties, but on the straights they are awesome cars. Too bad they look like a G37 on steriods. You'd think they would have gone more with the Z370 look or gotten more exotic like the NSX. I don't know what they are like from the dig because both guys had the launch control disabled when they took delivery due to warranty limitations. They me told if you keep launch control ability on you don't get a drivetrain warranty.
It's only sad if you have no idea how launch control works... If you do, you would know that is a false statement.
EVERY GT-R (either series I or series II) has Launch Control. You cannot 'disable' it. It is either turning VDC off (LC1), or it is on ALL OF THE TIME (new improved LC2 - which offers greater traction with dumping the clutch at around 3k RPMs at the beginning of the torque curve).
I thought we've moved past all of this nonsense...
Duane - you might do your friends a service by advising them to read their manuals, or the paper they signed that they were instructed by the dealer how to operate the car properly. Or smack the dealer in the face for lying to them.
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Let me add, the commercial played during the Olympics ( I know it’s advertising ) was funny to me. Nissan saying we make blah, blah, blah, Legends w/ a pic of the GT-R up. I really don’t think a car as young as the GT-R is a Legend in any stretch of the word. Has it made great strides in auto performance and functionality… YES! Is it a Legend… not so much. ( yet )
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Being 22yrs old with an insane record of victories isn't too bad of a start...
The GT-R is certainly a polarizing vehicle and is NOT for everybody (paddle shift DCT the only transmission, etc...), but the only way to find out if you could beat one, is line up with one, or run around the same track on the same day. In the end, I think we've ALL learned is that (in stock form), the GT-R is a performance peer of the 911tt - who wins comes down to the driver, and which type of course/track. I believe it has become commonly understood that a less experienced driver could net a better lap in the GT-R than it's Porsche counterpart, and a more experienced driver may or may not.
Both are great cars, and I hate the bashing (one way or the other).
The GT-R is certainly a polarizing vehicle and is NOT for everybody (paddle shift DCT the only transmission, etc...), but the only way to find out if you could beat one, is line up with one, or run around the same track on the same day. In the end, I think we've ALL learned is that (in stock form), the GT-R is a performance peer of the 911tt - who wins comes down to the driver, and which type of course/track. I believe it has become commonly understood that a less experienced driver could net a better lap in the GT-R than it's Porsche counterpart, and a more experienced driver may or may not.
Both are great cars, and I hate the bashing (one way or the other).
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Being 22yrs old with an insane record of victories isn't too bad of a start...
The GT-R is certainly a polarizing vehicle and is NOT for everybody (paddle shift DCT the only transmission, etc...), but the only way to find out if you could beat one, is line up with one, or run around the same track on the same day. In the end, I think we've ALL learned is that (in stock form), the GT-R is a performance peer of the 911tt - who wins comes down to the driver, and which type of course/track. I believe it has become commonly understood that a less experienced driver could net a better lap in the GT-R than it's Porsche counterpart, and a more experienced driver may or may not.
Both are great cars, and I hate the bashing (one way or the other).
The GT-R is certainly a polarizing vehicle and is NOT for everybody (paddle shift DCT the only transmission, etc...), but the only way to find out if you could beat one, is line up with one, or run around the same track on the same day. In the end, I think we've ALL learned is that (in stock form), the GT-R is a performance peer of the 911tt - who wins comes down to the driver, and which type of course/track. I believe it has become commonly understood that a less experienced driver could net a better lap in the GT-R than it's Porsche counterpart, and a more experienced driver may or may not.
Both are great cars, and I hate the bashing (one way or the other).
I'm w/ you on the cars being pretty equal in respect to performance. I would argue the interior on the 911 is much better. But that is also as much of a personal preference as it is fact.
I also agree the bashing is stupid. It doesn’t prove anything and in fact a person who is bashing usually has a closed mind and is not really learning anything about the other car. If I had a desire to beat every GT-R, Z06, ZR1, F403 ( fill in the car ) I would learn everything about my car and that 1. But that is just me. Keep on keeping on jaspergtr.
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Time wise from a dig it will take a lot to beat one. Just like the new pdk turbo is .7 seconds quicker than last years turbo and runs 5-6 more mph in the 1/4 with only 20 bhp more, the GTR's transmission makes up for a lot.
LAst year I watched a GTR at my altitude run a best of 12.49 at 116 mph. The track equivalent altitude is typically 8000-8500 ft. It is a 5800 elevation track. I was babying my manual off the line(60ft was 2-2.3 seconds for me, I know, horrible) and averaging the same time but my trap was 120 ish. I certainly had more power but from a dig, we would have been neck and neck to 1/4 mile. I was probably pushing 40-80 bhp more than him on my 91 octane file and I had a full tank of gas. 60-130 would be a different story, no need to worry about launch. For comparisons sake a stock 996 turbo averaged 105-109 mph at this elevation.
LAst year I watched a GTR at my altitude run a best of 12.49 at 116 mph. The track equivalent altitude is typically 8000-8500 ft. It is a 5800 elevation track. I was babying my manual off the line(60ft was 2-2.3 seconds for me, I know, horrible) and averaging the same time but my trap was 120 ish. I certainly had more power but from a dig, we would have been neck and neck to 1/4 mile. I was probably pushing 40-80 bhp more than him on my 91 octane file and I had a full tank of gas. 60-130 would be a different story, no need to worry about launch. For comparisons sake a stock 996 turbo averaged 105-109 mph at this elevation.
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Time wise from a dig it will take a lot to beat one. Just like the new pdk turbo is .7 seconds quicker than last years turbo and runs 5-6 more mph in the 1/4 with only 20 bhp more, the GTR's transmission makes up for a lot.
LAst year I watched a GTR at my altitude run a best of 12.49 at 116 mph. The track equivalent altitude is typically 8000-8500 ft. It is a 5800 elevation track. I was babying my manual off the line(60ft was 2-2.3 seconds for me, I know, horrible) and averaging the same time but my trap was 120 ish. I certainly had more power but from a dig, we would have been neck and neck to 1/4 mile. I was probably pushing 40-80 bhp more than him on my 91 octane file and I had a full tank of gas. 60-130 would be a different story, no need to worry about launch. For comparisons sake a stock 996 turbo averaged 105-109 mph at this elevation.
LAst year I watched a GTR at my altitude run a best of 12.49 at 116 mph. The track equivalent altitude is typically 8000-8500 ft. It is a 5800 elevation track. I was babying my manual off the line(60ft was 2-2.3 seconds for me, I know, horrible) and averaging the same time but my trap was 120 ish. I certainly had more power but from a dig, we would have been neck and neck to 1/4 mile. I was probably pushing 40-80 bhp more than him on my 91 octane file and I had a full tank of gas. 60-130 would be a different story, no need to worry about launch. For comparisons sake a stock 996 turbo averaged 105-109 mph at this elevation.
