New M2 performance 996tt exhaust?
#32
Will be delivered Thursday. cats on Chinese products are usually the issue. I think that's why these guys were smart with the resonators. I'm feeling a winner on this piece.
#33
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the exhaust. I do agree with some people that you get what you pay for but I don't feel that to be necessarily the case with Porsche parts. They are WAY overpriced! I'd like to see the margin on some of those products; it has to be huge. I wouldn't knock the M2 exhaust until someone had a good look at it first.
there is a difference... Even the steel most of them use is different and has a discolor to it.. Im guessing its not true 304 is some cases... I would be ashamed to sell Asian made parts for a P car.. mind you can do it and make more money then I do when I make them...
but will it do the job? sure...
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
#34
With headers they receive tremendous heat so even American headers crack. The exhaust on the other hand the cat takes the brunt which doesn't exist here. Hence a cat less resonated axle back. Sounds good to me lets just hope it's not retardly loud. I have a 2003 996 cabby so that would truly suck when it's warm out. Hardtop will help sound for now.
$600 means $300 in parts. I've learned twice now with the cheapo chines headers. So crappy.
That said, it does LOOK nice. Much nicer than my $4500 9ff dual-tone setup. But then, the 9ff has lasted taken 8 years of punishment. The $150 ebay headers (which incidentally vivid sells for $1500 lols) lasted 1 year before they cracked and started causing CELs. incidentally, it looks like M2 is selling the same headers...for $250!
That said, it does LOOK nice. Much nicer than my $4500 9ff dual-tone setup. But then, the 9ff has lasted taken 8 years of punishment. The $150 ebay headers (which incidentally vivid sells for $1500 lols) lasted 1 year before they cracked and started causing CELs. incidentally, it looks like M2 is selling the same headers...for $250!
#35
When you make them for a living from scratch you know the difference... for example and only one example to shut your Overpriced theory down- I use patent pending packing material that costs almost as much as the price of that exhaust... and why do I do it? because cheap steel wool cannot offer the sound and sound control that I need...
there is a difference... Even the steel most of them use is different and has a discolor to it.. Im guessing its not true 304 is some cases... I would be ashamed to sell Asian made parts for a P car.. mind you can do it and make more money then I do when I make them...
but will it do the job? sure...
there is a difference... Even the steel most of them use is different and has a discolor to it.. Im guessing its not true 304 is some cases... I would be ashamed to sell Asian made parts for a P car.. mind you can do it and make more money then I do when I make them...
but will it do the job? sure...
As for Porsche parts being more expensive, a lot of them are for no good reason. Just look at some of the plastic interior pieces; no way that stuff is that expensive. You are hands down paying for the name.
#36
Absolutely correct.
#37
I'm not saying this exhaust is good or bad but saying that anything coming out of China is crap is a little naive IMO. Some companies will manufacture there using high quality standards but just take advantage of the cheaper labor cost. The difficulty is finding someone that can make a quality product consistently.
As for Porsche parts being more expensive, a lot of them are for no good reason. Just look at some of the plastic interior pieces; no way that stuff is that expensive. You are hands down paying for the name.
As for Porsche parts being more expensive, a lot of them are for no good reason. Just look at some of the plastic interior pieces; no way that stuff is that expensive. You are hands down paying for the name.
You pay for the name because you want a P car in your garage not a Honda... you dont walk into a dealer and tell the sales guy that your not going to pay the P car tax because there is plastic in the car and you can get it cheaper in china...
just because Asia offers cheap labor does not mean that P cars and after market parts are too expensive... it just means that there are cheap alternatives. But I would rather have an exhaust made by someone with 18 years experience in fabrication and welding vs a 14 year old girl.
mind you I have spent $200k on my car plus the car new long before I was even a company.. so I know both sides and have paid my dues...
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2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
2001 996TT 3.6L and stock ECU
9.66 seconds @ 147.76 mph 1/4 mile click to view
160 mph @ 9.77 seconds in 1/4 mile click to view
50% OFF ON PORSCHE ECU TUNING BLACK FRIDAY SPECIAL
#38
OFF TOPIC AGAIN..
I have been building Harley high output motors , dynoing, designing parts and use to compete nationally for many years, successfully..
And Harley gets parts from many over seas and foreign places in which they put their name on them..I buy these same parts right from outside distributors for about 35% cheaper..
I KNOW most don't question the price because they are use to paying top dollar for their presious toys...lol..
I have been building Harley high output motors , dynoing, designing parts and use to compete nationally for many years, successfully..
And Harley gets parts from many over seas and foreign places in which they put their name on them..I buy these same parts right from outside distributors for about 35% cheaper..
I KNOW most don't question the price because they are use to paying top dollar for their presious toys...lol..
Last edited by johnspeed; 12-02-2012 at 08:30 PM.
#39
Having purchased, fabricated and tested several styles of 996TT exhausts, I feel I know almost exactly how that twin can exhaust will sound. Most of the Asian exhausts are designed to fit the car with little to no regard for sound quality and you get whatever they sound like and they will fit the car. That is where a system like our SpeedTech X-cellerator X-flow shines. We developed it here in the USA on our own car with the goal of producing the best sound possible from the 996TT. We tested dozens of combinations of muffler sizes and designs, tip shapes, sizes and lengths (yes, that has an effect on final sound) in an effort to provide the best sound and performance possible for the Porsche 996TT. Then, we went further and developed/designed several additional sound levels resulting in a modular system where sound level and tone can be adjusted after the purchase with simple component swaps with parts common to all systems.
At $600 it's a decent value for what it is...but IMO, if you want the best for your Porsche, you are best to stick with a Porsche specialist and
you know where to call :-)
Poorly or inadequately designed exhausts get old after 1 week giving way to buyers remorse. I have seen it so many times, I repeatedly get comments like "I should have bought your system to begin with" from people who just installed a new exhaust and thought they were getting a deal or "I purchased brand X, but I don't like it - I'm looking for a better sound, can you help?" or "I'm looking for less drone - I took my X brand off because I couldn't stand it, how much is your 2.5 quiet?", etc. - A good idea to get a true feel for this is to read our testimonials (a link is in my signature). Several of our customers have been through up to 5 different exhausts before finding the one they were totally happy with - I can not emphasize enough how common this is...
Another thing to consider when making an exhaust choice: Power mods deliver the goods in short spurts, you live with your exhaust 100% of the time, therefore, exhaust decision is one of the most important choices you will make because you have to listen to it every second you spend driving your car. It can make or break your entire enjoyment of the ownership experience. A great exhaust note will make you want to drive your car all the time and put a smile on your face the whole time. A lesser sounding exhaust will often make you look forward to getting out of the car, wishing the ride was over. Huge difference! IMO, don't compromise - it's so worth doing it right to begin with...
At $600 it's a decent value for what it is...but IMO, if you want the best for your Porsche, you are best to stick with a Porsche specialist and
you know where to call :-)
Poorly or inadequately designed exhausts get old after 1 week giving way to buyers remorse. I have seen it so many times, I repeatedly get comments like "I should have bought your system to begin with" from people who just installed a new exhaust and thought they were getting a deal or "I purchased brand X, but I don't like it - I'm looking for a better sound, can you help?" or "I'm looking for less drone - I took my X brand off because I couldn't stand it, how much is your 2.5 quiet?", etc. - A good idea to get a true feel for this is to read our testimonials (a link is in my signature). Several of our customers have been through up to 5 different exhausts before finding the one they were totally happy with - I can not emphasize enough how common this is...
Another thing to consider when making an exhaust choice: Power mods deliver the goods in short spurts, you live with your exhaust 100% of the time, therefore, exhaust decision is one of the most important choices you will make because you have to listen to it every second you spend driving your car. It can make or break your entire enjoyment of the ownership experience. A great exhaust note will make you want to drive your car all the time and put a smile on your face the whole time. A lesser sounding exhaust will often make you look forward to getting out of the car, wishing the ride was over. Huge difference! IMO, don't compromise - it's so worth doing it right to begin with...
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991.2 GT3 RS Weissach Racing Yellow
991.2 Turbo S GT Silver
991.2 GT3 Chalk (Manual)
2022 Cayenne White
former 1972 911T white, 1984 911 3.2 Targa black, 993 cab white, 993TT arena red, 993TT silver, 996TT speed yellow, 991.1 GT3 white
www.speedtechexhausts.com
info@speedtechexhausts.com
Testimonials facebook SpeedTech Exhaust Videos
Last edited by John@SpeedTech; 12-03-2012 at 04:46 PM.
#40
I'm one of those 5x exhaust customers. So glad made the call to John. Sound is so subjective- I was never satisfied until I installed my 3.0 Speedtech.
Good luck on the M2 exhaust, maybe you get something you'll be happy with for some time.
Good luck on the M2 exhaust, maybe you get something you'll be happy with for some time.
#41
Hi,Now you just need to install larger turbos to make it even sound better..lol..
#42
Anyone reading this that is on the fence about 996TT/997TT exhausts... CONTACT SpeedTech! Do it right the first time.
#43
We all have different needs..
John is a great guy,class act, and does sell a good exhaust with many options..
I have had a few exhausts and I love my Milltek,could be a bit louder though.
To each his own..
Last edited by johnspeed; 12-03-2012 at 10:16 PM.
#44
No offense guys but if i wanted to spend thousands it would with Stef and europipe. I had a custom made to spec europipe called the Suman that was clearly the best exhaust i ever used with no drone. Can we keep this an m2 exhaust thread thanks
Last edited by Highhats; 12-03-2012 at 05:50 PM.