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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronny-
Do you have any url's or partsnumber to point to that the flywheel is the same?

Im not saying that a reduction in fw weight is bad, but cutting it to 1/4 is not good at all imo.
You can prove me wrong by showing me information where the gt2rs actually has a 9lbs fw and i'll stop discussing this at once and go back to my cave. =)
No need to crawl into your hole. Just don't blindly believe and regurgitate all the misinformation you read about on the net.

As far as part numbers, I'm sure your competent mechanics can provide them to you. They are all in PET. Takes 30 seconds to look them up. In case they can't, you can easily get the info from many other sources. Oh yeah, I was rounding up when I said the .81 6Cup flywheel was 9 lbs, it actually closer to 8. Yeah, Porsche must be crazy installing it in the 7GT2RS. What were they thinking? Maybe less weight, better throttle response, better heel/toe shifting, and quicker turbo spool? Surely they would have got more performance by strapping a 30 lb dual mass on the engine...

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http://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/9...100-V5905.aspx

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...TCLUTC_pg3.htm

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-e...ml#post5628126
 

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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 02:48 AM
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Looking for feedback on light weight flywheel

Originally Posted by pwdrhound
Tim,
I would install the regular 11lb. OEM 964RS LWFW. It's about half the cost of the slightly lighter Cup flywheel. I don't know about down under, but stateside this FW is available for about $500. The part number is 964.102.239.31. Getting it from Porsche is pricey but you can get the one that does not come in the Porsche box for much less. Like I said, about $500. They are made for Porsche by Rauch and Spiegel or Sebro. You need other bits and pieces like ring gear, bolts, guide tube, etc. for the full conversion. I am running this flywheel but will likely swap in the 9lb Cup version in when my gearbox comes out again.
Your a legend Hound definitely the bloke with the most knowledge on this forum.

Cheers buddy,
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
No need to crawl into your hole. Just don't blindly believe and regurgitate all the misinformation you read about on the net.

As far as part numbers, I'm sure your competent mechanics can provide them to you. They are all in PET. Takes 30 seconds to look them up. In case they can't, you can easily get the info from many other sources. Oh yeah, I was rounding up when I said the .81 6Cup flywheel was 9 lbs, it actually closer to 8. Yeah, Porsche must be crazy installing it in the 7GT2RS. What were they thinking? Surely they would have got more performance by strapping a 30 lb dual mass on the engine...

Cheers!

http://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/9...100-V5905.aspx

http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...TCLUTC_pg3.htm

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-e...ml#post5628126
Thanks, i've just realised that they actually use the .81 fw on gt2rs, now the only explanation i have on this is they had focus on weight saving, thats the only reason i can think of.

As far as my mechanic, i work on my own car so i don't have any.
But i talk to lots of guys to hear different opinions, the last person who adviced me against lwfw has just lapped nurburgring in 7:29 in a 997gt2.
Another who adviced against was the former supplyer of Isachsens (world rallycross champ) turbos, and a third one who also said the same is a mechanical engineer who crafts alot of motorsport parts.
I talked to him when i was investigating wether or not to use lightweight, and he said he would refuse to make me one, unless i made it heavier.
So these are not your average joes who adviced against this, they also have litle or no connection with each others.
So if someone have the phonenumber to Walter Rohrl maybe he can explain why they ended up with a lwfw on the gt2rs. =)
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
I'm not familiar with that kit. What is the part number of each component that makes up the kit? What is the pressure plate used? Stay away from kits that do not give you that info.
CLUTCH DISK#996 116 015 88 SACHS
PRESSURE PLATE #996 116 027 15 SACHS

is this the equivalent setup as the 2.5?
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast Enough
CLUTCH DISK#996 116 015 88 SACHS
PRESSURE PLATE #996 116 027 15 SACHS

is this the equivalent setup as the 2.5?
2.5 and various other "stages" of clutch are just made up numbers by vendors for marketing. So there's no real answer to your question. I can warn you to stay away from awe-tuning who is one of the vendors that does that. They ripped me off and refused to make it right. Extremely nice pre sale and once you buy something FU buddy, no returns or fixes. Oh you got the wrong part? well FU again. Been there, done that. Don't get burned as well.
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by MalcolmV8
2.5 and various other "stages" of clutch are just made up numbers by vendors for marketing. So there's no real answer to your question. I can warn you to stay away from awe-tuning who is one of the vendors that does that. They ripped me off and refused to make it right. Extremely nice pre sale and once you buy something FU buddy, no returns or fixes. Oh you got the wrong part? well FU again. Been there, done that. Don't get burned as well.
How do I get the part #'s I need for that particular setup then?

From what I can tell the 764 plate and 1098 disc are what I need but I can't find the part #'s
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast Enough
How do I get the part #'s I need for that particular setup then?

From what I can tell the 764 plate and 1098 disc are what I need but I can't find the part #'s
Did Porsche deliver any "2,5" kit on any car?
Here are the upgraded clutch and pressure plate.
http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...3_571_572.html

Also remember the release bearing.
The clutch is unsprung, not sure if thats what youre after.
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronny-
Did Porsche deliver any "2,5" kit on any car?
Here are the upgraded clutch and pressure plate.
http://www.sachsperformance.com/Sach...3_571_572.html

Also remember the release bearing.
The clutch is unsprung, not sure if thats what youre after.

Good point, from what I can tell so far the clutch disk is
964 116 014 62
still trying to find a porsch part# for the pressure plate if it exist.

I want to go back to a DMFW, ideally something that wont chatter, does not release at the top of the pedal travel and that will hold the power of a tuned X50 with 1bar tune and exhaust.

You know, I want the perfect clutch.
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Fast Enough
does not release at the top of the pedal travel..
Are you on stock clutch release or have you converted to GT2?
What clutch do you have now?
 
Old Apr 25, 2016 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronny-
Are you on stock clutch release or have you converted to GT2?
What clutch do you have now?
I bought the car with the current setup already on it. To the best of my knowledge it has a LWFW, 2.5 sachs clutch and I have know idea on the release bearing or the pressure plate.
 
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Originally Posted by Ronny-
As far as my mechanic, i work on my own car so i don't have any.
But i talk to lots of guys to hear different opinions, the last person who adviced me against lwfw has just lapped nurburgring in 7:29 in a 997gt2.
Another who adviced against was the former supplyer of Isachsens (world rallycross champ) turbos, and a third one who also said the same is a mechanical engineer who crafts alot of motorsport parts.
I talked to him when i was investigating wether or not to use lightweight, and he said he would refuse to make me one, unless i made it heavier.
So these are not your average joes who adviced against this, they also have litle or no connection with each others.
So if someone have the phonenumber to Walter Rohrl maybe he can explain why they ended up with a lwfw on the gt2rs. =)
To be fair, there are threads on RL dealing with the issues that LWFWs cause - such as pulleys coming off or, much worse, variocam tensioners disassembling themselves or even crankshafts breaking. There is even an aftermarket co that has developed a harmonic balancer to cope with these issues - and the issues do not only affect aftermarket conversions. But they are large displacement (4.0+L) motors.

Just by going with statistics through forum threads, etc., though, 3.8L or less motors do not seem to have major issues with undampened harmonic vibrations.
 

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