Beware when using the Toyo R888R!!
#1
Beware when using the Toyo R888R!!
I've always felt that the Toyo 888s were garbage and their woes seem to continue with the new R888R. Be very very careful. I've seen this happen on the old 888s but even the redesigned tires appear to have serious issues...
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Last edited by pwdrhound; 08-21-2017 at 05:21 PM.
#3
Tires don't normally fail by rolling over track curbing. That's what it's there for. I've always been vocal about my opinion of the Toyo 888 brand of tires. For those using these, it's certainly their prerogative. All I'm saying is be very careful. Numerous failures of the same type of tire in one day is not coincidence, it's a design issue or a manufacturing defect of some type.
Last edited by pwdrhound; 08-21-2017 at 08:15 AM.
#5
Now that's funny! Don't forget to add some Agency Power suspension components and some Rotec seats to give me the warm and fuzzy...
Last edited by pwdrhound; 08-21-2017 at 08:47 AM.
#7
Originally Posted by brnrdtns
I should put a set of these on my 1st generation Forgestars along with their Chinese lug bolts and show up at Miller next month . Will John test drive my car?
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#9
There are only a few tires that are capable of taking the load at max speed up to camber of -2 degrees. Most tire manufacturers will not approve an OEM vmax, let alone any higher.
I have seen blown R888 on dynos. Almost the same defect from a plain visual "inspection".
We have guys here in Germany running R888 way over 360 km/h and you won't even get an approval for 300 km/h for them. I could't care less if they would't risk other lives as well.
So my advice would be: don't run any tires that even the manufacturers don't trust.
#10
I would like to disagree: it's plain ignorance of the users. Pick any brand of tires you like and ask the manufacturer for approval for use on our cars. For 19" you will not get any except Michelin, because the cars have too much weight on the rear.
There are only a few tires that are capable of taking the load at max speed up to camber of -2 degrees. Most tire manufacturers will not approve an OEM vmax, let alone any higher.
I have seen blown R888 on dynos. Almost the same defect from a plain visual "inspection".
We have guys here in Germany running R888 way over 360 km/h and you won't even get an approval for 300 km/h for them. I could't care less if they would't risk other lives as well.
So my advice would be: don't run any tires that even the manufacturers don't trust.
There are only a few tires that are capable of taking the load at max speed up to camber of -2 degrees. Most tire manufacturers will not approve an OEM vmax, let alone any higher.
I have seen blown R888 on dynos. Almost the same defect from a plain visual "inspection".
We have guys here in Germany running R888 way over 360 km/h and you won't even get an approval for 300 km/h for them. I could't care less if they would't risk other lives as well.
So my advice would be: don't run any tires that even the manufacturers don't trust.
R888R 295/30-18 has speed rating and load index of 98Y XL, which means that it is rated to 300km/h and 750kgs. But it seems that it's just not up to it's ratings.
MPSC2 295/30-18 has speed rating and load index of 98Y XL (no N-spec available) ...but it can take the punishment.
I was hoping that R888R would be introduced in e-approved 325/30-18 (there's DOT-approved one already), but after seeing those pics, no. Will not buy.
Last edited by pete95zhn; 08-21-2017 at 11:43 AM.
#11
From my personal experience
R888 - 315/30-18 in the back paired with 235/40-18, maybe had like 3 sets, no problems besides after few HC they loose a lot of grip, other than that really no problems
Compound was GG - so the harder one, car weighted like 1500-1550kg
I have started like 1.8-1.9bar cold and tried to keep them @2.0-2.5bar or so hot, I have used moderate camber (<-2 F/R) but also -2.5F/-3.5R. If they have lasted longer and had grip till the cords, R888 would have been my first choice of Rcompound tire, but not the case LOL
Now will try 335s in the back and 275s in the front, will come back to report here.
On my GTR I have tracked 285/315 R20 of the newer version R888R, not many laps but still no problems
R888 - 315/30-18 in the back paired with 235/40-18, maybe had like 3 sets, no problems besides after few HC they loose a lot of grip, other than that really no problems
Compound was GG - so the harder one, car weighted like 1500-1550kg
I have started like 1.8-1.9bar cold and tried to keep them @2.0-2.5bar or so hot, I have used moderate camber (<-2 F/R) but also -2.5F/-3.5R. If they have lasted longer and had grip till the cords, R888 would have been my first choice of Rcompound tire, but not the case LOL
Now will try 335s in the back and 275s in the front, will come back to report here.
On my GTR I have tracked 285/315 R20 of the newer version R888R, not many laps but still no problems
#13
Actually... what would it take to get involved? This is with PCA correct? I have some work to do on my car but it could be done in a week or two. I promise not to show up with Forgestars of course.
#14
Originally Posted by brnrdtns
Actually... what would it take to get involved? This is with PCA correct? I have some work to do on my car but it could be done in a week or two. I promise not to show up with Forgestars of course.
https://www.motorsportreg.com/events...ountain-490266
For this event they like you to have previous track experience but there is also a NASA event about once a month.
www.nasautah.com
Last edited by z06801; 08-21-2017 at 09:42 PM.
#15
From my personal experience
R888 - 315/30-18 in the back paired with 235/40-18, maybe had like 3 sets, no problems besides after few HC they loose a lot of grip, other than that really no problems
Compound was GG - so the harder one, car weighted like 1500-1550kg
I have started like 1.8-1.9bar cold and tried to keep them @2.0-2.5bar or so hot, I have used moderate camber (<-2 F/R) but also -2.5F/-3.5R. If they have lasted longer and had grip till the cords, R888 would have been my first choice of Rcompound tire, but not the case LOL
Now will try 335s in the back and 275s in the front, will come back to report here.
On my GTR I have tracked 285/315 R20 of the newer version R888R, not many laps but still no problems
R888 - 315/30-18 in the back paired with 235/40-18, maybe had like 3 sets, no problems besides after few HC they loose a lot of grip, other than that really no problems
Compound was GG - so the harder one, car weighted like 1500-1550kg
I have started like 1.8-1.9bar cold and tried to keep them @2.0-2.5bar or so hot, I have used moderate camber (<-2 F/R) but also -2.5F/-3.5R. If they have lasted longer and had grip till the cords, R888 would have been my first choice of Rcompound tire, but not the case LOL
Now will try 335s in the back and 275s in the front, will come back to report here.
On my GTR I have tracked 285/315 R20 of the newer version R888R, not many laps but still no problems
In 295/30 i wouldnt even think about using toyos. Go for cup2 or trofoe R`s