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Old Nov 4, 2005 | 01:29 PM
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I agree I stand corrected, I just took a look at my engine and I am always willing to learn here, I really do not see any reason for not using a vaccum line coming from the engine manifold for reading the pressure and didn't really see any adverse effect if the reading came off the vaccum line going from the manifold to the BOV and it would make for an easy install. My engine is a 3.4 and did not see any dummbie plugs however.
You get to the dummy plugs by removing the throttlebody and first intake tube. But any vacuum line connection will do.
 
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Had that off once and vaccum line is easier, just curious do you know if one bank runs cooler then the other bank. I was curious in regards to using one sensor or two for the average EGT readings.
 
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Had that off once and vaccum line is easier, just curious do you know if one bank runs cooler then the other bank. I was curious in regards to using one sensor or two for the average EGT readings.
In theory, each bank could be difference, but this is unlikely. The variables that would effect the temps would be A/F ratio and exhuast leaks. I still think it is overkill to measure the exhaust temps. If you setup and monitor your A/F ratio properly, this directly correlates to your exhaust temperature. Any changes outside an acceptable level will throw a CEL.
 
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Thanks, I just LUV visual aids versus computers.
 
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talked to the retailer for that monitoring system. he suggested using the fuel pressure vaccum line coming off the intake manifold. much as 1999 suggested. he will supply the necessary fittings for that type of application. he also echoed what 1999 said about staying with a vacuum line after the intake manifold so that you get consistent boost readings.

the package kit comes with sensors for AF, boost, and EGT. might as well go for broke and install all three. where do you guys think would be the proper place to install the AF and EGT sensors. the retailer suggested, if i had this right, intalling the EGT sensor on the exhaust flange furthest from the TB, as that would be the hottest and worst case scenario.
 
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Sensors and Kit

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talked to the retailer for that monitoring system. he suggested using the fuel pressure vaccum line coming off the intake manifold. much as 1999 suggested. he will supply the necessary fittings for that type of application. he also echoed what 1999 said about staying with a vacuum line after the intake manifold so that you get consistent boost readings.

the package kit comes with sensors for AF, boost, and EGT. might as well go for broke and install all three. where do you guys think would be the proper place to install the AF and EGT sensors. the retailer suggested, if i had this right, intalling the EGT sensor on the exhaust flange furthest from the TB, as that would be the hottest and worst case scenario.
Did he say he was supplying just one or two EGT sensors in the kit? If two my preference would be one on each side noted in picture. If it is two do the sensors need to be sliced together for there computer to average or does there computer have a place to connect two of the sensors seperatley? Not sure on the A/F.
 

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Hey Mother. If I send you my engine, will you clean it for me. That is one clean block.
 
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Ha! That's all I have to do right now while I wait for a donor. As you can probably tell by oil on the carpet my last car was a Range Rover.
 
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They supply one, but it can be run on two. The only catch is that you can't use the display then. You would have to just use a laptop and datalog. From the way I understood it, you are just subbing one of the sensors on the sending unit for two EGT's. I'm pretty sure one EGT and one properly placed AF sensor would suffice.

That is a nice clean motor. I like polished mufflers, but I can never understand why they make they that way for our cars as you can't see the mufflers once they're installed.
 
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1999 is right on regarding the placement of the pressure reading. You definitely want a manifold source.

Personally I'm a strong proponent of A/F reading. It's important to distinguish the difference between a wideband and narrowband reading. Most naturally aspirated engined cars are supplied with narrowband sensors that are only accurate in the local region of 14.7:1 AFR. I'm not sure on Porsche, but I'd guess it's narrowband. For forced induction engines you definitely need to use a wideband sensor that can read richer conditions than stoichometric. The zeitronix setup is pretty good and I was considering them but I wasn't too hot on the display so I went a different direction.

I'm not sure where I'd put the EGT and AFR probe on the Porsche engine. Ideally you'd know which cylinders tend to run the leanest and mount it there. Perhaps someone more familiar with the engine can help you out there. I thought I recalled that most Porsche engines had fairly non-uniform flow rates to each cylinder creating some real differences but don't hold me to that.
 
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I think you're correct on that Uber. The trick would be to find the worst case scenario cylinder and sensor that one. that way you'd know the other five would have to be better than that one

Which route did you go with your gauges?
 
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I have not modified my 996 and so do not have any gauges on that car. On my turbocharged Supra I used the blitz DTT turbo timer and boost gauge plumbed to the intake manifold and the plx devices AFR reading just after the turbo (so all the cylinders had already merged). I actually have a plx devices unit with ~1000 miles on it for sale if you have any interest, but this unit only handles AFR so if you're looking for an all in one unit the zeitronix may be a better bet. PLX does make an all in once unit but I'm not hot on the packaging.

You may also want to give some thought to which AFR sensor the units use. Although the bosch sensor is much less expensive many people believe the NTK sensor is much more durable (particularly if you ever run leaded fuel). I felt okay with the bosch sensor and figured I'd replace it if necessary since it's almost a 3x price difference.
 

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It would be nice to have 1 EGT per cylinder as if you where in a test cell and place as close to the cylinder as possible, but for the sake of being practicle? I think that one per side and placing as close where all exhaust pipes on that bank come together would work. I was trying to find out also if one bank ran cooler then the other just by design. Last time I had the spark plugs out they all looked uniform to me but I was not looking that closely for color differences. The A/F using there system-- here are there ( zeitronix) instructions:
http://www.zeitronix.com/installatio...structions.pdf
 
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Does zeitronix have a telephone number? I did not see one.
 
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I'm only going to run one AF sensor, so we'll just have to find the optimum place.

What is the Lamda reading? I have no clue what that is.
 


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