The "GTR" has been around for a long time, but it is more like a Mustang or a Cougar. It has not evolved consistantly like a 911; past GTR's have little in common with the current one. The motor in that little Beetle you speak of has evolved into a monster that has won Le Mans something like 16 times, the 24 hours of Daytona something like 20 times, and Sebring about 16 (not counting the RS Spyder which is not based on the flat six). The 917 does count because it is basically two flat sixes stuck together. That motor was pretty effective in the Can Am championship also. The little Beetle design you speak of has done fairly well on the international scene over the last 60 years. Robert Goddard's little rocket engine may not have been much at first, but it has evolved into something that powers vehicles to the moon and beyond.

 

Sometimes evolution moves forward in leaps and bounds.

 

Looks like this thread is almost extinct.

 

His Porsche ***** Envy won't let him leave it alone.

 

When will they release new supra already or acura nsx orrrr something elseeeeee .

 

Looks like I hit an "ignorant" nerve nd it might be yours. I am very aware of the early GTR's and that they were never exported to the US and other countries because of our emission standards. Porsche has had to meet all the silly standards and has survived and thrived long enough to be used by Nissan as the "benchmark" car in building the GTR. Funny it would use a Beetle as it benchmark.
A "Beetle", talk about ignorant posts. You just can't admit that the 911 is the standard for so many wanna be sports cars.
I did not slam the GTR instead said let's see how it performs over time in the world markets. Get over yourself and try to not take it personally that Nissan would be overjoyed if the GTR turns out to be 1/2 the long term success the 911's have been.

 

The 911 was derived from a VW Beetle. That's a fact you can't change. Not saying it's a bad thing, just a fact. That rennovated Beetle has had to be a success because it's pretty much the only car Porsche have had consistently for the period in question

Early skyline GTRs weren't imported to the US because Cali is filled by a bunch of [........]. Despite that people still struggled to try import them. Don't see them doing that for a Porsche if things were reversed.

 

^People didn't import them because of it's track heritage, but because it was very easy to make a 1000hp on one.

 

The GT-R went out of business for 10 years living on myth and folklore. And has more things copied from the 911 than you can shake a stick at. Nissan is and has always been trying to measure up, and failing time after time.

FAIL

 

what did it copy from a porsche? Just curious.

Engine in the back? NOT

better balance? NOT

Big boot in front? NOT

So what exactly you mean by that?

 

Do you see it as a plus or a minus? Tell me you wouldnt want a car with tuning capability of 1000 hp+

 

I didn't say design cues genius. I'm talking fundamentals.



Turbo engine - yes
AWD - yes

They even copied Porsche calling it and RS which was a race prepped version of the car.

Not only that but the GT-R ended up with DSG because Nissan knew Porsche were developing PDK as everyone else did.

The Skyline has always been playing little man to the Turbo, nothing has changed.

 

Plus, all the electronic assistance gadgetry was pioneered on the 959. Didn't make it to the run of the mill road going 911 because the those who bought them didn't want the help.

 

Anyway, VW is at the steering of Porsche no? So they might be sharing Beetle parts again to cut cost? Hahaha....


Anyway im here just for laughs tho, not really want to prove anything, i like them both.

 

Could get exciting. It was Ferdinand Piech who pushed the development of the 917 and the Bugatti Veyron through. Can't wait to see what ideas he has next. Unlike Wiedekin, who I respect, Piech is not so much concerned with making a profit as pushing the envelope.