Before you dismiss the PDK I do urge you to keep an open mind. The "drivers car" concept is not diminished with a PDK . In fact the choices of which mode to select as well as whether one can use manual mode offers a different level of interraction. It translates into a higher level of application where the shift efficiency can turn an orinary driver into a shifting pro . In fact PDK will shift faster than a pro with a manual and it's not as though the PDK was never used in motorsports ... it is.
If thse reasons aren't enough .. consider this --it is IMPOSSIBLE to over rev with a PDK . That alone saves every engine from any potential money shift and if for no other reason trumps all arguments of engine preservation.

That does not mean the manual is ancient either . It is a timeless piece of tradition fused into a modern car and the Porsche gearbox happens to be one of the best .

There are those who insist --"maual only"
There are also those who insist "PDK only"

I am one of the rare individuals who likes BOTH equally for different reasons. The strengths of one reveal the weakness of the other and visa versa . That is why i have BOTH.

In fact having BOTH is the only way one can be 100 percent correct in terms of full driving interration. It now takes multiple cars to acheive the full effect of wider range of choices and selection .

Porsche really has it covered with this multiple model 997 line . I can only afford two though .. but yes --one must be manual and one must be PDK.

 

Me and you think alike, I sit in traffic too with a stick, and still would not give it up no matter how quick a computer can shift for me.

 

I agree that the GT2 and GT3 should remain 6 speed.. PDK for the rest is very nice for the daily driver and weekend warrior..

Mike

 

That doesn't make sense as you can have the PDK on the 997.1tt which is based on the GT1.

 

Shifting is over rated, sometimes it can be fun but most of the time its a hassle with all the traffic and such and I think the F1 style converterless auto's are the way to go for convenience and performance. I own many 6 speed cars and I am a pretty decent driver but I will never buy another new car with a stick if the f1 style auto is available at a reasonable price. When I am at the track which is often I always here guys saying thats all they would own is a 6 speed and it makes me laugh because most of the guys I here saying it can't drive worth a sh*t.

 

I will state for many that PDK can never replace a manual for driver involvement, but I will add that as long as there would be a tiptronic in the Turbo the PDK is a FAR FAR FAR better option.

But it's still not driver oriented like a manual, and only an imitation of a real sequential which is the real next step up from a manual concerning driver involvement.

 

997.1 side mirrors > 997.2 side mirrors
The new ones look swollen or something...just not a sleek.

 

This...

 

I do not believe the 997.1tt ever had the PDK. The first time PDK was introduced to a turbo was 2010.

 

i think he meant "cant".

 

I do think he meant can. He believed that the 09's had the pdk which meant that it could fit on the GT1 block.

This came up because we were discussing how the GT3 was not offered with a PDK. And the reasoning from porsche was weight and that PDK was not install friendly on the GT1 block.

 

I recently drove a c2s with sport shift (1k miles on the clock) and it was perfect.

Mine currently requires double the effort and is no where near as slick.

 

For those still bent on the electronic sequetials being several seconds faster on road courses, here's a little dose of reality.

<table width="100%" cellpadding="3px" cellspacing="3px"><tbody><tr><td><table style="padding: 0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td width="50%">Lap Times

</td> <td style="text-align: right;">
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Track</td><td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td><td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr><tr><td class="tdone">Tsukuba</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:05.817</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:05.698</td></tr><tr><td class="tdone">Contidrom</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:35.41</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:35.11</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Specs

</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Discipline</td> <td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td> <td class="tdtwo">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Max speed</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">155 m/h (250 km/h)</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">155 m/h (250 (restricted) km/h)</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-100 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">4.6</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">4.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-160 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">9.4</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">9.7</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-200 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">15.2</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">15.2</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-300 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">-</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">-</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Quarter mile time</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">12.5 @ 114.8mph</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">12.6 sec @ 113.2 mph </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Power/weight ratio</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">0.19</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">0.19</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Summary

</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Discipline</td> <td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td> <td class="tdtwo">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Track Performance</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">0 points</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">2 points</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Straight line speed</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237 points</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">235 points</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Total</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

 

The moral of the story is that PDK does not make you a better or even significantly faster driver unless you just absolutely struggle with manual shifting.

 

997.1 tt did not offer a PDK. 997.1tt would be a tiptronic car. The 997.2tt is the first tiem a PDK was offered for the turbo.