The I dislike Change 2010 Turbo Thread
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I think any technology that makes a car faster and safer to drive is good technology.
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I think any technology that makes a car faster and safer to drive is good technology.
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Well, there is safety, fast and then there is FUN! To me, the last one is what I look for the most in a sports car. While an automated manual is a big step up from a conventional automatic, it doesn't give me the same satisfaction and sense of control as a clutch...
I have the DSG transmission in our GTI and do enjoy it but like my BMW with its conventional manual still better...
Not to mention, maintenance and repairs on automated manuals are big $$$$
I have the DSG transmission in our GTI and do enjoy it but like my BMW with its conventional manual still better...
Not to mention, maintenance and repairs on automated manuals are big $$$$
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Having driven the PDK in a Carrera S, I can say the launch control is very cool. On Sport Plus, I don't think I had ever (until driving the turbo) been faster to 60 mph. Still, I passed on it and got a 6 speed 09 tt. Having never owned an auto since 1986 (except my wife's truck) I can't believe how disconnected I felt driving it. The buttons are very confusing too. I meant to downshift on the highway and upshifted into 7th instead. The car yawned at me, when in fact I wanted a flash of power to pass. Instead of driving I feel like I'm playing a video game!
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I think any technology that makes a car faster and safer to drive is good technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxqcEYpKYWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxqcEYpKYWY
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I think any technology that makes a car faster and safer to drive is good technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxqcEYpKYWY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxqcEYpKYWY
Some technology should only be for people that fail a driving exam.
Did I see a VW badge on that Pan?
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...Oh, those were the days....NOT (but after a couple tries the wifey never drove it again, meaning I had it all to myself!)
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In the mid to late 60's I could have had a vette with gobs of HP but elected to have an MGBGT..
it had abt 100 HP with a 4 speed BUT it was so much fun to drive.
there is more to having fun than plain acceleration. I loved driving the MG on back roads even tho it was 1/10 the car that my turbo is.
Speed and acceleration are just part of the equation to me but a manual is a must in this venue.
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it had abt 100 HP with a 4 speed BUT it was so much fun to drive.
there is more to having fun than plain acceleration. I loved driving the MG on back roads even tho it was 1/10 the car that my turbo is.
Speed and acceleration are just part of the equation to me but a manual is a must in this venue.
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I own 2 6-speeds, (the other is a 5 series wagon), I sit in NY traffic every day and love every minute of it -- If Porsche ever stops building manuals while I am able to drive, I will be crushed... I am definitely with you!!!
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For those still bent on the electronic sequetials being several seconds faster on road courses, here's a little dose of reality.
<table width="100%" cellpadding="3px" cellspacing="3px"><tbody><tr><td><table style="padding: 0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td width="50%">Lap Times
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Track</td><td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td><td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr><tr><td class="tdone">Tsukuba</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:05.817</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:05.698</td></tr><tr><td class="tdone">Contidrom</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:35.41</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:35.11</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Specs
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Discipline</td> <td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td> <td class="tdtwo">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Max speed</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">155 m/h (250 km/h)</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">155 m/h (250 (restricted) km/h)</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-100 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">4.6</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">4.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-160 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">9.4</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">9.7</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-200 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">15.2</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">15.2</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-300 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">-</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">-</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Quarter mile time</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">12.5 @ 114.8mph</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">12.6 sec @ 113.2 mph </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Power/weight ratio</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">0.19</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">0.19</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Summary
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Discipline</td> <td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td> <td class="tdtwo">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Track Performance</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">0 points</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">2 points</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Straight line speed</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237 points</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">235 points</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Total</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>
<table width="100%" cellpadding="3px" cellspacing="3px"><tbody><tr><td><table style="padding: 0px;" width="100%" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td width="50%">Lap Times
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td></tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Track</td><td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td><td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr><tr><td class="tdone">Tsukuba</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:05.817</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:05.698</td></tr><tr><td class="tdone">Contidrom</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:35.41</td><td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">1:35.11</td></tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Specs
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Discipline</td> <td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td> <td class="tdtwo">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Max speed</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">155 m/h (250 km/h)</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">155 m/h (250 (restricted) km/h)</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-100 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">4.6</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">4.3</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-160 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">9.4</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">9.7</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-200 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">15.2</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">15.2</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">0-300 km/h acceleration</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">-</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">-</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Quarter mile time</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">12.5 @ 114.8mph</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">12.6 sec @ 113.2 mph </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Power/weight ratio</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">0.19</td> <td class="tdone" style="text-align: center;">0.19</td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Summary
</td> </tr> <tr> <td> <table class="tableone" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="tdtwo" width="30%">Discipline</td> <td class="tdtwo" width="35%">M3 (E92)</td> <td class="tdtwo">M3 (E92) DKG</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Track Performance</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">0 points</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">2 points</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Straight line speed</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237 points</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">235 points</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="tdone">Total</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237</td> <td style="text-align: center;" class="tdone">237</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>
The R35 skyline is as quick as it is HANDS DOWN due to that trans..
If you take a pro racer in both cars it might not be huge but in a track like Sebring that big its around 3 seconds difference for a VERY GOOD driver not a drive that sucks.. For a driver that sucks you can see as much as 10 seconds ill bet..
Nothing you show me will convince me otherwise sorry.. I have driven them all including my SMG M5 and no 6 speed M5 can touch my M5. PERIOD..
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I do think he meant can. He believed that the 09's had the pdk which meant that it could fit on the GT1 block.
This came up because we were discussing how the GT3 was not offered with a PDK. And the reasoning from porsche was weight and that PDK was not install friendly on the GT1 block.
This came up because we were discussing how the GT3 was not offered with a PDK. And the reasoning from porsche was weight and that PDK was not install friendly on the GT1 block.
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I dont know where all these #'s in 1 test are derived from but i can tell you hands down bottom line its a FACT that if someone who is an above AVG driver not POOR driver drives a DCT trans car they will go faster..
The R35 skyline is as quick as it is HANDS DOWN due to that trans..
If you take a pro racer in both cars it might not be huge but in a track like Sebring that big its around 3 seconds difference for a VERY GOOD driver not a drive that sucks.. For a driver that sucks you can see as much as 10 seconds ill bet..
Nothing you show me will convince me otherwise sorry.. I have driven them all including my SMG M5 and no 6 speed M5 can touch my M5. PERIOD..
Mike
The R35 skyline is as quick as it is HANDS DOWN due to that trans..
If you take a pro racer in both cars it might not be huge but in a track like Sebring that big its around 3 seconds difference for a VERY GOOD driver not a drive that sucks.. For a driver that sucks you can see as much as 10 seconds ill bet..
Nothing you show me will convince me otherwise sorry.. I have driven them all including my SMG M5 and no 6 speed M5 can touch my M5. PERIOD..
Mike
BMW admitted SMG was a creation from the Warranty claims department, how many over revs have we seen on an M since SMG?
I stopped buying BMW's when SMG 1 was introduced it was like driving with my mom, oh and teaching her how to drive stick. No thanks, I'll let my brain tell the car what to do and when.