Difference between ttS and tt?
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 317
From: california
Rep Power: 29
I hope it gets sorted out.
See, this is the problem:
In stock form, the 997.2 PDK will just about obliterate any car you are likely to encounter on the road, if that car is stock too.
And therein lies the problem. In Kuwait, almost every single car who's owner is likely to want to run against you is modified, and most, quite heavily.
That means that you end up losing to 90% of the cars out there
!Does not do our cars justice!
Bosco, I'm not too sure about that. High torque figures will test your PDK clutches when shifting, regardless of manual mode or auto.
Besides, if your foot is on the gas to the metal, it'll shift even in manual mode unless you override before shifting point. When you're running against someone, there are too many variables to keep a very careful and watchful eye on and that means I don't want to risk having the box try to shift by itself and risk a $15K tranny.
I think this must enter the equation. If you are a die hard fan of either box, then the decision is easy. If you're on the fence about PDK and you would like to upgrade you car's performance to , say, modified VTGs, you PDK will simply not hold it together, at least for now. And from the way things look with the complexity of the PDK and its electronics, it might take a while for a proper mod to emerge.
Can hit the nail on the head.
The PDK is rated at anywhere between 570 to 590 lbft of torque.
At these limits, the PDK gearbox begins to slip its clutches.
Being a closed box, your Porsche dealer will tell you that it cannot be repaired and you have to replace it.
Since the car would be modded to beyond the 590lbft limit, chances are replacement will not be covered by warranty.
That's $15K for the box. OUCH!
To some, modding for bigger power is something they will not pursue.
To other, we don't mind tinkering a bit with Porsche's engineering!
All I was saying was, if you fall into the second category, you need to be aware of the limitations of the PDK box ahead of your purchase. That's all.
These limitations will take time to be fixed by tuners and the fix will not be a cheap one.
Jim
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,153
From: Kuwait
Rep Power: 174
You're not too far off the mark on that one bro!
In most cases, we try to control the environment as much as possible.
Strong runs happen at around 2 or 3 am and in remote areas where there is no traffic at all.
If it gets a bit crowded with spectators and gets a bit dangerous, I personally will not run. We put it off for another day and make sure fewer people are attending.
Cops send out cruisers once in a while. The crowded disperses fairly quickly.
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 317
From: california
Rep Power: 29
You're not too far off the mark on that one bro!
In most cases, we try to control the environment as much as possible.
Strong runs happen at around 2 or 3 am and in remote areas where there is no traffic at all.
If it gets a bit crowded with spectators and gets a bit dangerous, I personally will not run. We put it off for another day and make sure fewer people are attending.
Cops send out cruisers once in a while. The crowded disperses fairly quickly.
Be careful-and for the spectators. Have you guys ever gotten nailed by the cops?Jim
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,116
From: Palos Verdes
Rep Power: 256
Hi Can. Very interesting and informative. Maybe I should be looking for a well taken care of 08 or 09 tt 6 spd. rather than a new one using the DFI 3.8
non Mezger. Do you think it is a much better value given the quality of the engine? I am surprised I have not seen any threads comparing the two as this would seem a key difference in the tt engine 'concept' especially if P is 'cheapening down' on the build quality while the sales price of the cars continues into the stratosphere.
Jim
non Mezger. Do you think it is a much better value given the quality of the engine? I am surprised I have not seen any threads comparing the two as this would seem a key difference in the tt engine 'concept' especially if P is 'cheapening down' on the build quality while the sales price of the cars continues into the stratosphere.
Jim
Even though I own and love my 997.1 Turbo, I actually am in the middle ground when it comes to old vs. new engine. Primarily perhaps because I am not one who is going to mod the engine to very high power, I might even say I prefer the new engine because it has higher power, and I suspect less lag.
That said, there has NOT been enough data on the new engine, nor there has been a good comparison of 997.2 Manual versus 997.1 Manual (hence eliminating the PDK variable) in all speed ranges, so I might be proven wrong.
The breakdown IMHO is this:
1. If you want to mod the engine, especially to extreme high power, the old engine is proven and probably the better choice.
2. If you want an automatic car, 997.2 with PDK is the hands-down winner.
3. If you don't plan to mod to extreme high power, and have the extra $$$, I actually prefer the new car because of the revised suspension, PTM, PTV, and dynamic engine mount.
As it stands, the 997.1 Turbo is a tremendous steal at the current used price, and it is true that a few years down the line, might be considered the better choice. It is also true that the Mezger engine will probably go down as the "best" ever in a Turbo because of its true racing pedigree (best depends on who is talking of course - no flame please guys, I am really in the middle
).
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 1,153
From: Kuwait
Rep Power: 174
Guys are street racing as a result. A lot do so at all times of day, in all kinds of traffic, so long as they feel they can get away with it (no cops in sight).
Others try to run under somewhat better circumstances, like I described above.
Do guys get caught by cops? Sure.
Will that stop them from turning right around and doing it again? Nope!
That's what happens when you don't give people a proper venue to practice such a popular hobby I guess!
As far as my friends and I are concerned, we try to be super-concervative regarding when and where and under what conditions we run.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
NC 996TT
Automobiles For Sale
13
Mar 23, 2023 06:19 AM
wrs
991 Turbo
20
Sep 17, 2015 01:03 PM
