At the risk of being perhaps the only naysayer here, and at the risk of receiving many many negative reps: Aside from assuaging egos, what will this prove?

At best, this will prove that this particular car, on that particular day, on a particular track won a particular event.

Also, unless many factors are equalized, such as driver, vehicle weight, fuel used, tires used, etc..., it will not even prove that the car was actually the deciding factor.

Even if all these factors are equalized, so what?

Will that prove one participant's superiority over another?

For an event such as this, each participant will probably throw every resource they have at the car being prepped, including the proverbial kitchen sink, to eek our that one extra pony. Things that they will declare and things that they will not.

I personally would hesitate to buy a car prepped for such an event because I would have serious concerns about its longevity.

Are the participants prepared to offer a 100% bone stock car each and send it to a non-biased third party along with their kits so that this third party documents the installs and publishes the kit contents after the event?

What about the ECU tune?

The modern 911 ECU is a very smart bugger that monitors many sensors to protect the engine.
As a small example, there are temperature sensors on the turbos in the 997.2 that will power down the turbos if they overheat in order to protect them, otherwise, their lifespan would be very short indeed.
I had this happen to me in my car once where the error code I subsequently got was "P0234: Turbo Overboost Condition". I had to park my car, reset the ECU, and then move off for the turbos to function normally again.
Now, if I were a participant in such an event, and for the obvious publicity benefits and potential for subsequent sales, I would manipulate all such safety sensors in my ECU tune to cancel out their functions and push every performance enhancing parameter beyond safe operating limits for that one race without caring if the engine fails one day later.

I could go on and on, but to me, regardless of the outcome, this event proves nothing.

At best, it is a sad form of entertainment and one massive ego trip.

Champion Motorsports and TPC Racing will still be two institutions, not just companies, that I respect and admire, with one small negative, this event that we have been invited to attend on public forum.

As Chuck said, it is not the event per say, rather the spirit in which it is being held that rubs me the wrong way.

 

VIR, full course. That back straight from the Oak tree is basically a drag strip.

Professional driver hired to drive both cars, otherwise Levitas will be too much of an advantage to TPC (who I'm a customer of and am rooting for).

 

I suspect the "respect" factor is has fallen for some members who have chosen to remain silent.

 

k_ddsl-

Car magazines and TV shows such as 'Battle of the Supercars' do the same thing all the time. Even with bonestock models, so much depends on the driver. Look at the recent issue of evo magazine, where they compared many Porsche versus Ferrari competitions for (very) roughly equivalent models. Much of the determination was subjective in any event.

Cheers - Gerry

 

All of the components used for our build are off the self parts that are sold in our 997.1 Power Package.

Please keep in mind that our test car is here being built for a local customer and he volunteered his vehicle for this EVENT.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/997-turbo-gt2/224580-68mm-billet-turbocharger-build-champion-motorsport.html

 

I know protomotive and tpc work together who does champions tuning?

 

Gerry, like I said, no issues about such an event per say...

All the best,

Karim

 

GIAC is our Official Tuning Partner

 

I think Karim makes some valid points. I thought similarly but since both parties agreed then I can only assume each must think they will gain benefit from this event whether they win, lose, or draw. I hope it won't be a one-off car since I believe the spirit of the challenge is to showcase the commercial vtg packages which has been brought into question about who has the "fastest" however that is defined.

 

lol, you rascal.

 

Can someone post what the "history" is here that led to this event? If it's not allowed then that's fine.

I think it will be useful for the info obtained. I'm still deciding on my upgrade path and would like a comparison on the dyno and the strip for 60-130, quarter mile, driveability etc...

 

Dave,

I would feel much much better about the whole event, and the spirit in which it was being held, if:

1- It did not start off in anger
2- It was organized by an independent third party with rules aimed specifically at eliminating all factors other than the cars and their kits
3- Kits/tunes were installed/overseen/verified by an independent third party
4- It was open to all willing vendors, not just a face-off between Champion/TPC

It is not a knock on anyone's credibility, rather a desire to leave no room for suspicion and doubt.

You said both vendors accepted. In this case, I think TPC had no choice. The gauntlet was publicly laid down in front of them.

 

to add my .2 cents.
first i hope its at MIR becuase i will be there !!!!!
secondly the cars should be weighed ,and should be similar weight.

with that said, i know Mr knighton will have is two cents in this and i will pick his tuning capabilities over giac any day,since tpc is now working with protomotive. so im looking at this as waking up a sleeping dragon.

so good luck two all, and i think this duel is exciting ,and i must say i must give props to 6 speed for letting this fly , i love competitiveness !

 

I hear ya Karim and agree on all points. Hopefully, some of these which you articulated will be agreed upon by both parties. I don't really know the history behind this but if it did start out as a grudge match, perhaps at the end of the day it will turn into a friendly competition showcasing each other's product.

 

I, like you, hope so.
And I also rest my case.