997 Turbo S or 991 Carrera S
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thanks for replies, and to clarify, i'm looking at a non "S", as it's just out of my price range as kittivan has mentioned. btw, I've always wanted a kittivan, so am a little jealous. I think everyone's mentioned the salient points well. to comment on the sound, the NA 3.8 w/ sport exhaust is vastly more harmonic than the TT as someone noted. am looking for comments from people who have owned and/or driven both and/or have been through my dilemma which the first posters mostly have. interestingly, I've made my mind up with total conviction either way several times only to change it shortly thereafter. the mid range flat torque curve is one of the things I liked about the TT opposed to having to rev out the NA motor to access the HP/TQ meat. anymore comments welcome
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There is no question the new techs, look, and feel of the interior of the new 991's are a much improvement over the 997. If that is what you are after you can't go wrong because the 991s is more than quick enough to keep that smile on your face.
However, if you are addicted to that boost as many of us are, you don't quite get that feeling in the 991s. Again this is my personal opinion as I only had 2 weeks in the 991S, but I felt I drove it enough to be able to come to this conclusion.
With a budget of $100K, you can find a well equipped 997.2 with low miles. You can buy a lot of car for 100K, good luck! You really can't go wrong with either.
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The Turbos in the turbo kill the exhaust sounds. You have to upgrade it. However there are plenty of them for a .2 that are actually cheaper than the .1
Oh and one more thing. A TT is in the supercar realm, the 991.... isnt
Oh and one more thing. A TT is in the supercar realm, the 991.... isnt
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If this is your everyday car, and you have a tough commute, get the 991. You will appreciate the creature comforts more than the power of the 997TT. The nicer cabin and PCM system goes a long way when you are in traffic.
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991 s PDK spasm sport chrono sport plus pdcc
991 s PDK spasm sport chrono sport plus pdcc makes all the difference.
Porsche quotes a 0 to 60 time of 3.7 on a first gen 991 turbo with 480 hp (presumably manual before the GTR came out and they were forced to respond with PDK)
0 to 60 of 3.8 on a 991 s with power kit
0 to 60 of 3.9 on a 991 s with sport chrono
Most people don't understand the 991s is an absolute animal with sport plus/ sport chrono/ PDK from 5000 rpm to 7500 rpm.
The robot gear box/ transmission/ chassis/ pdcc are that good.
Current gt3 is way better than the old turbos. If I didn't need the back seats I would have got the gt3
Porsche quotes a 0 to 60 time of 3.7 on a first gen 991 turbo with 480 hp (presumably manual before the GTR came out and they were forced to respond with PDK)
0 to 60 of 3.8 on a 991 s with power kit
0 to 60 of 3.9 on a 991 s with sport chrono
Most people don't understand the 991s is an absolute animal with sport plus/ sport chrono/ PDK from 5000 rpm to 7500 rpm.
The robot gear box/ transmission/ chassis/ pdcc are that good.
Current gt3 is way better than the old turbos. If I didn't need the back seats I would have got the gt3
I have now over 10 days a 991S PDK 2014 in my garage, also i still own a 987.2 Spyder and a 997.1TT 6 MT. First drive with the S, my first impression was, the S is much slower and i felt a big difference in the acceleration. Unfortunately that is not true. After a few drives, I changed my mind completely. The 991 is fast a hell, this car has "only" 400 HP.
If you drive the car at the first time, it feels like (and it does) the 997TT is pushing much harder, but it is only in between 3000-5000. On a real road, there is no big performance different to this cars. The PDK in 991S will kill my 997.TT. It so easily to control all the power, find the right rev limits with a PDK. And off course the 991S PDK is amazing good, ever better as on my 987.2 Sypder, i cant believe this, but it is true.
The 991S 3.8 DFI is hanging unbelievable good "on the gas pedal", so you will became also easily addicted to this car. No words, off course to the sound of the 991
At least, the S is also much much easier to drive. The 991 is more a smoothy car, but the suspension on a standard S is far away from a sports car. The handling of my spyder is much much better, even the turbo an tiny roads is better. But, for me the worst thing again, the 991 runs on the Autobahn above 200km/h like on rails. No affordable P car can compete this. The turbo fears me above 250km/h and is not so stable as a 991. No way.
My wife says always, she has no fears at all to push the pedal to ground on a 991S, but for her, there is no way to this in turbo. She said: "The turbo is driving with me, he likes to kill me".
If you drive the car at the first time, it feels like (and it does) the 997TT is pushing much harder, but it is only in between 3000-5000. On a real road, there is no big performance different to this cars. The PDK in 991S will kill my 997.TT. It so easily to control all the power, find the right rev limits with a PDK. And off course the 991S PDK is amazing good, ever better as on my 987.2 Sypder, i cant believe this, but it is true.
The 991S 3.8 DFI is hanging unbelievable good "on the gas pedal", so you will became also easily addicted to this car. No words, off course to the sound of the 991
At least, the S is also much much easier to drive. The 991 is more a smoothy car, but the suspension on a standard S is far away from a sports car. The handling of my spyder is much much better, even the turbo an tiny roads is better. But, for me the worst thing again, the 991 runs on the Autobahn above 200km/h like on rails. No affordable P car can compete this. The turbo fears me above 250km/h and is not so stable as a 991. No way.
My wife says always, she has no fears at all to push the pedal to ground on a 991S, but for her, there is no way to this in turbo. She said: "The turbo is driving with me, he likes to kill me".
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Most people don't understand the 991s is an absolute animal with sport plus/ sport chrono/ PDK from 5000 rpm to 7500 rpm.
The robot gear box/ transmission/ chassis/ pdcc are that good.
Current gt3 is way better than the old turbos. If I didn't need the back seats I would have got the gt3
I agree as I already worte. To drive a 991 sedan longer in the rev 5 up to 7.5 rpm is for me not realy practical.
The 3.8 DFI is in this range now very noisy and starts to vibrate. Strange to me, because the 3.5 DFI in my spyder is in this range more smooth.
But I forgot to mention, a FvD Brombacher tune on a 997.1TT will change this game completly. The 997 will run like hell in the 7000 rpm limiter.
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991 s PDK spasm sport chrono sport plus pdcc makes all the difference.
Porsche quotes a 0 to 60 time of 3.7 on a first gen 991 turbo with 480 hp (presumably manual before the GTR came out and they were forced to respond with PDK)
0 to 60 of 3.8 on a 991 s with power kit
0 to 60 of 3.9 on a 991 s with sport chrono
Most people don't understand the 991s is an absolute animal with sport plus/ sport chrono/ PDK from 5000 rpm to 7500 rpm.
The robot gear box/ transmission/ chassis/ pdcc are that good.
Current gt3 is way better than the old turbos. If I didn't need the back seats I would have got the gt3
Porsche quotes a 0 to 60 time of 3.7 on a first gen 991 turbo with 480 hp (presumably manual before the GTR came out and they were forced to respond with PDK)
0 to 60 of 3.8 on a 991 s with power kit
0 to 60 of 3.9 on a 991 s with sport chrono
Most people don't understand the 991s is an absolute animal with sport plus/ sport chrono/ PDK from 5000 rpm to 7500 rpm.
The robot gear box/ transmission/ chassis/ pdcc are that good.
Current gt3 is way better than the old turbos. If I didn't need the back seats I would have got the gt3
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I traded my 2012 991C2S w/7mt for a 2012 997TTS and couldn't be happier. IMHO, the 997 looks and drives better and of course the TTS is way faster than the C2S. I had previously used a 993C2 as my DD and the 997TTS feels like the old 993, except with much more HP. I was a little skeptical on the PDK, but I now can't imagine the TTS with anything else.
Its not all about 0-60. If you want to enjoy a road car, torque matters a lot. Think about a roll-on starting at 60mph in a GT3; the PDK will need to drop about 4 gears to really get up and go. On the track, that's great. On the road, its annoying. Roll-on in 997tt at 60mph in 6th; you'll have a momentary pause and then you'll think you were shot out of a cannon. Do the work to get 600whp, and it will seem like a cat launch of an F18. There's more to it than numbers in the real world. I didn't like a PDK at all for day to day driving (the thing goes to 7th gear at something like 40mph to save gas unless you're in manual), but if I got paid for lap times there is no choice - PDK is much faster. But on the street, I'll take a manual trans and torque every day.
Or if you want more control like a manual transmission, you can enable manual mode and shift with the paddles. Down shifting with the paddles is soooooooooo much faster than downshifting a manual trans.
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After DD driving a 2012 991C2S for 37k miles I traded it for a CPO 997TTS and find the 997 much more comfortable than the 991. Plus, it looks better and drives more sports-car like. While the 991 does have a few more options, such as Bluetooth streaming and a Panamera looking interior, the 997 is just a better car IMHO.
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Trying to decide between maybe getting a loaded '13 C4S at an asking price of $114K versus a pristine '12 TT-S with almost no miles at asking price of $134K. Car will be DD for about 6 months per year and have about 5-6 K miles placed on it, plus will see the road course maybe 6 times. Lastly, whichever car I buy will (most) probably be traded in about a year.
Pluses and minuses of each and in particular which car would be expected to retain a higher % of it's purchase price a year from now?
TIA,
Bish
Pluses and minuses of each and in particular which car would be expected to retain a higher % of it's purchase price a year from now?
TIA,
Bish
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Trying to decide between maybe getting a loaded '13 C4S at an asking price of $114K versus a pristine '12 TT-S with almost no miles at asking price of $134K. Car will be DD for about 6 months per year and have about 5-6 K miles placed on it, plus will see the road course maybe 6 times. Lastly, whichever car I buy will (most) probably be traded in about a year.
Pluses and minuses of each and in particular which car would be expected to retain a higher % of it's purchase price a year from now?
TIA,
Bish
Pluses and minuses of each and in particular which car would be expected to retain a higher % of it's purchase price a year from now?
TIA,
Bish