To that same methodology....early adopters of any technology pay the most upfront costs (done to recoup R&D). EP pricing has been fixed it seems to when it was first developed. Times have changed and the 997.1 is half price of that when new. On top of that it seems competition has caught up in terms of performance and acoustics....so either EP adjusts pricing or learns to live with fewer sales (at least on the .1 platform)




Side question...how does E85 affect catalytic converters?

 

If a salesman doesn't believe in his products, how can he promote his products? And if he doesn't do his best to promote his products, then he is not a good salesman??


I think all manufacturers try to produce the best possible exhausts.


This is great forum and I have gained a lot of knowledge.


Let stop be sarcastic and cynical!!

 

I love all aftermarket brands and all types of cars. You're just a fanboy.

 

Wow, lot of action on this old thread. I don't have too much to add, but feel the need to add my honest experiences. Have had an ep on my .2 turbo for over 5k miles now. Great added power, turbo spool sound and passed NY inspection at a dealer. Stef also provided great service. I was surprised there would be no emissions issue with 100 cell cats. And there is definitely a power improvement.

Had a Kline system with UK cats on my .1 turbo. Had great service from Felix and really liked the sound. After 5k miles got the dreaded post cat o2 sensor cel. Was running extensions. Kept coming back. Sold the exhaust to someone going to run it catless. I was offered options and alternatives, but I don't own a shop and don't have time or the money to have someone swap out parts trying to get it to work.

Just my experience. I wasn't an ep fan, but I am now.

 

I have no ax to grind, but mis reps were made that you can get a kilne with the best cats, sorry but that is true...more like a hijacked sales thread by vendors, not an informative exhaust thread for the end user

 

Just so we are crystal clear Sambo the E mark does not mean you can supply the Kline with oversized 100 cel Emitec race cats does it?

You said earlier in this thread v.clearly you can supply Kline with these oversize Emitec 100 cel race cats which give the whistle and bark character to the EP but thats not correct is it?

Also HJS XL cats are not made by Emitec are they? This was also an inference you made.

The other advantage of the oversize Emitec 100 cel cats is that they're so large and high quality that there is no need for o2 spacers or remapping to get rid of pesky CEL lights on dashboard which ALL other aftermarket exhaust cause apart from EP1 and EP2. Must be the old tech eh!

 

If you'd like pics of all the different cars I own PM me and I'll send them to you no probs. Like I said I'm agnostic and own lots of performance cars inc Brabus 63 which is the best turbocharged exhaust note in the world and also a few air-cooled Porsches which are my real passion and only one of them has an EP system

Suffice to say one mans junk is another mans treasure. I understand this

 

I'm still trying to understand your beef 9e. All I did was congratulate the OP and then it all started. Again as is common in these vs threads. Search it, see who takes shots at who and who starts it. Now it is all whittling down to the catalytic converter's creating a supersystem? If there is a specific super cat that only your system has or can get that's wonderful. The E marked TUV approved and homogulated HJS XL cats I offer in the Kline systems as the up-rated option do just fine. In fact they are used by some of the largest and most successful exhaust system manufacturers in Europe and across the world. Including systems in Porsche Motorsport race cars. It's not my place to justify or place Emitec in the market. For the sake of not hearing it any longer I will agree with everything you say about the catalytic converter's. Because it just doesn't matter to me or my customers. HJS and EEC have some great options for different applications. The Motorsports XL cats do just great. If anyone sells you something inferior and doesn't stand behind it you have a problem. That's not the case here. I don't think the systems are all about super cats with a muffler hanging off the back.

The fact that so many people love these different systems speaks volumes. Some switch back-and-forth. Speaking for myself so many happy clients cannot be wrong.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...t-exhaust.html
Also for the record I do not mention the name of the other manufacture and I never started reference to anyone else. This is also not a vendor more. It's not nice to constantly get a side shot when someone says they really enjoyed their Kline...usually from the same handful of people. The gentleman switched and he loves it. Maybe get over it? I always say enjoy your system. Options are great. Now I'm saying you have the best cats ever designed and no one else can get them except you and people with your system. Are we good? Or is there going to be more to see the next time someone praises something they enjoy and it's not your favorite? These two systems and their features could not be much more different. That should be a wonderful thing. Drama not always necessary.

 

So kline use the better 100 cats? My dealer advising me (from their experiences) the EP will fit properly with no problems like many others they have fit, and say EP use best 100 cats (no cels) - and quality more suiting to my new 991tt (not 997), BUT if Kline has better 100 cats then I'm wondering now? Hmm....so Kline is best cats not EP?

 

There are a few really good options. I don't use the word best because that is a pretty bold statement when you have so many key factors including cost. Most of the high end systems out fit well or perfectly. All you need to do is search. In the 991TT section there are several happy clients with (in alphabetical order) EP, Kline and Tubi. More are coming to market. Both Kline and EP have a strong following with very happy customers. Some happier than others lol even though they have also displayed that it's difficult to have the perfect system. Modulation in the system helps a bit. Both fit great, are high quality and offer cats with no cel tune or not. Sound characteristics, System variations/modulation and weights are some of the differences. And of'course the cats. Some with 991's have moved to decat systems for optimal high performance and lower EGT's.

You could reach out to both companies or representatives and see what suits you. You will find proud owners and installers for both, with all cat/decat variations.

 

No beef Sambo we're good I note there's been editing back tracking going on in your post re being able to supply Kline with Emitec 100 cel oversize cats etc and thats good. Just wanted to clarify that this is not possible and its those specific cats with their USPs which are central to the EP offering.

Those guys that have recently swapped to Kline (one from EP1 and the other from Cargraphic) are friends of mine that simply isn't my point as I'm more pleased for them than you can ever be. I know Stef at Europipe never gives a discount and does not sell via middle men so he can put noses out of joint but he sells a premium product which he feels does not need to discounted. If I'm ever in LA I'll buy you a beer

 

Wow! I am quite pleased with your response. I edit 50% of my posts because I use dictation. Pretty much everyone knows it now and it's just funny by now. I concede to the catalytic converter situation because like I mentioned I don't think that it matters. I'm not going to say that an exhaust system I suggest is the best. I let the client come to their own conclusion about what they get and how they are serviced. Any component of it. I feel like I fit people correct product for them. Hence why I would reach out to other vendors at times. After almost 20 years I have a lot of great relationships. No one has ever accused me of overstepping my position or offending another brand. My intentions are always in the right place and as a sponsor in an open forum I always share and at times reach out in the most polite way that I can. I work hard mate and quite long hours. It's a lot of passion and good intention. To this day if customer shares with me that they're looking strictly for something else I do not badmouth the product like some do. I'll say my piece and offer my humble experience and knowledge. Then either provide what they need or in one case tell them I can't.

There goes again, another spelling edit! Beers on me

 

I came from M and AMG world as well as air cooled Porsche turbos (930/993). Search for me on rennlist and mbworld as I contributed a lot of build threads . I worked on them all. I had my share of building monsters in my garage including my last Weistec SCd C63. No need to wave your limp ***** at me. Haha.

 

lol how easily infuriated - what now you no like I have lots of cars with different performance exhausts only a minute ago I was an EP fanboy? Which is it wise guy? Now pootle off and go polish your exhaust pipes if they haven't fallen off

 

E85 seems to wreak havoc on catalytic converters it seems. Buying an exhaust with the ability to de-cat might be a worthwhile investment if you see E85 in your future.