Hey guys, I'm looking to get either the BBS CH-R or HRE P40 for my grey 997s. I'm leaning towards the BBS because of the huge price difference. I want black wheels and I'm thinking of having the lip painted in guards red to match the brake calipers.

Question: do we have any hookups on pricing? I can't seem to do any better than $2650 for 4 wheels before I get the pinstriping done?

 

Two totally different wheels and prices.. Forged monoblock vs cast. I've owned both and the P40s are great wheels.

The CH-R's are awesome as well for the price. TireRack seems to offer competitive pricing unless you reach out to a local shop to see if they can do better. Thats probably a better bet than finding someone online.

Also FYI, the "Lip" on the CH-R's is not a lip but a metal ring that acts like a "protection" against curb rashes. Its 3M doublesided taped... Probably be pretty easy to take off and paint and reapply.

I hope that helps.

 

I'm thinking about those two same wheels. The CH-R looks very similar to center lock wheels on the GTS and Turbo, I think they're great. I'm leaning towards the CH-R mainly due to price. But damn, every time I see a 997 with HRE P40s I think that's the way to go, albeit at much higher price differential.

 

I recently got some HRE for my Targa......the best choice IMO.....true cost is higher, but I also feel it comes with quality and strength, and less weight.....
you're right there in CA too......would like to visit there someday......
good luck with the choice...

 

What he said! The BBS lips are replaceable and I can get them if you ever need a replacement. I have had guys buy them just to paint black as well. Please call me if I can help.

 

I had a set of expensive lightweight wheels that cracked after a few track days. Had my daughter in the car, and did a little blast up to 95mph, when I started hearing a funny noise from the wheel. Pulled off the freeway, and after inspecting brakes and tires, I noticed a hairline crack in 2 of the spokes. I Decided to go with the CH-R. Rather have the added weight than worrying about a wheel coming apart. Another plus for the BBS was a 9in front wheel so you can run a 245. Very happy with these wheels. Also,the wheel ring is stainless, so not simple to paint, but got a quote from one shop at $560 but that includes new rings which cost over $200.

 

BBS has forgotten more than HRE will ever know about making wheels. Although the CH-R is not representative of their very best. The forged LM and LM-R are the industry standards when it comes to strength, light weight and style. On the downside, BBS is slow to release new wheels these days. Seems they're more interested in making OEM wheels for car makers, and wheels for the highest forms of motorsport as per tradition. Actually the price of high grade aluminum spiked a few years ago and I believe BBS wasn't thrilled with cutting profit on aftermarket wheels, hence the slowdown. Nothing against HRE, but they haven't the resources to compete with BBS.

All the BBS forged wheels are produced in Japan. Pic below of the LM-R

 

Do u guys know how much the bbs and hre wheels weight?

I was looking at the avant guard ruger mesh wheels. It's only $1600 but I'm sure they weight a lot more at 25lbs and 29lbs staggered.

 

Question: I see that some CH-R wheels have "MOTORSPORT" around the lugs and some don't. Can this be specified when ordered? I'm thinking black with the stainless lip, but on the Tirerack website the picture of the black wheel is without the "MOTORSPORT" logo. I prefer these wheels with the "MOTORSPORT" lettering.

 

You're completely right and a lot of HRE fanboys here won't like hearing it but HRE is a high end foo foo wheel company. Yeah they look great, but they just aren't as strong as other wheel companies. But they are better than a lot of other crappy wheel makers that focus more on style than substance. And you're right. HRE can't compete with BBS. They also can't compete with Volk Racing and Champion wheels (outsources their wheels in japan that has a 8,000 ton press). Those companies all produce 8,000 ton press forged wheels and HRE doesn't have that kind of equipment. Rays also has a 10,000 ton press.

My choice of wheel would be volk racing G12.

 

I looked at the Avante Garde as well but I was a little spooked after speaking to a few companies. Yes the price is attractive but for an extra grand you've got BBS.

 

I think I undertand what you gents are saying about HRE......"foo foo wheel company" made me crack up! I never thought about it that way you know? I have no working knowledge of the other companies mentioned, I was just going off my experience with the HRE's I have.......which in my case are for looks I guess....and some minor weight savings as they are pretty light wheels....
and I also don't track my cars, so maybe HRE isn't the best choice if you want to track a car? I admit loving forums because one can learn so much!

thanx gents

 

i choose P40's but you cannot compare the CH-R to P40's; different price-point and different manufacturing process. a more fair comparison would be the P40's vs BBS LM, E88, or FI.

 

I ordered the bbs wheels. No "motorsports' writing on the wheels, except for the grey color. Silver and black have no writing in US market I believe. I have been completely satisified with the wheels.

As for price, I was able to do a little less than mrsp on a discount, I can pm you on details. I dont believe BBS sells for much of a price reduction, and I called around several shops.

 

Quite a debate you guys have going here. I'd like to clear up a couple things regarding HRE.

1. BBS and Rays make a great product and we'd be fine with you choosing either of those brands. If you have questions about HRE, we are more than happy to answer those questions, but please don't make up things that others may believe and lump us in with the likes of most other American forged wheel companies that actually are pretending to make a quality, performance product.
2. If by Foo-Foo, street-only wheels you mean:
   • 2009/2010 Grand Am 24 Hr. of Daytona - 1st Place GS Class - Rum Bum Racing
   • 2010 Grand Am Continental Cup Championship - GS Class - Fall Line Motorsports
   • 2012 Grand Am Continental Cup Championship - GS Class - Rum Bum Racing
     
   • 2011 & 2012 American Iron Northwest Region Champion - Chris Cobetto/ PAS Racing
   • 2011 American Le Mans - West Racing Lamborghini - Limited Schedule
   • 2-Time Pikes Peak World Record holder
   • 2010 Formula Drift Champion - Vaughn Gittin Jr./Falken Tire
   • 2011 Formula Drift 2nd Place - Justin Pawlak/Falken Tire
   • 2012 Formula Drift 2nd Place - Vaughn Gittin Jr./Falken Tire
   • Gumpert Apollo Nurburgring Fastest Production Lap record
   • 2009-2012 Time Attack - Multiple track and class records - Chris Rado Scion TC
   • 2010 Texas Mile 249.7 MPH - Heffner Performance Ford GT
   • 2010 Texas Mile 247.7 MPH - Autobanh Toyota Supra
3. We do not have an in-house forging press, but that doesn't mean our forgings are any less strong than a BBS or Rays. Our supplier has some of the best equipment in the world and they provide the same quality forgings to Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, and Boeing, to name a few.
   
4. HREs are not the cheapest product available, but if you're looking for a stylish and lightweight wheel, with the amount of customization only HRE can offer, made to order in about 4 weeks, and will stand behind the product for as long as you own it, then HRE stands alone.