Misfire and Rich O2 Reading
I've been getting a recurring check engine light on my '06 V8V for about a year now. Always the same to cylinders (4 & 7) )(P0300, P0304, P0307).
At first I thought it was the plugs or coils. I troubleshooted those to no avail.
Then I thought maybe just due to infrequent use, i increased my driving cycle quite a bit for about a month with no change.
Most recently I decided to take a look at my O2 sensor readings. 3 of the 4 all look fine, but S2B2 is running rich (indicated by a fluctuating, but steadily high voltage level). I did troubleshoot the sensor and that doesn't appear to be the issue. So far this is the only thing outside of the misfire that looks like a potential culprit. I'm not seeing any obvious leak paths in the hoses. I verified that the fuel rail pressure is good.
Any thoughts suggestions on a next step? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
At first I thought it was the plugs or coils. I troubleshooted those to no avail.
Then I thought maybe just due to infrequent use, i increased my driving cycle quite a bit for about a month with no change.
Most recently I decided to take a look at my O2 sensor readings. 3 of the 4 all look fine, but S2B2 is running rich (indicated by a fluctuating, but steadily high voltage level). I did troubleshoot the sensor and that doesn't appear to be the issue. So far this is the only thing outside of the misfire that looks like a potential culprit. I'm not seeing any obvious leak paths in the hoses. I verified that the fuel rail pressure is good.
Any thoughts suggestions on a next step? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
if there are multiple o2 sensors, i think i would switch positions of the o2 sensors (i don't even know if this is possible) and see if the readings point to a different o2 sensor. this is just a guess. i don't even know what a S2B2 (sensor 2, bank 2?) is.
good luck.
good luck.Last edited by 61mga; Oct 22, 2020 at 09:09 PM.
i would still try swapping it out (assuming it's worth the effort if successful and the problem is intermittent) with one that appears to be healthy. my reason being that, as an insufferable pundit might say, the utility of bench testing is inversely proportional to the intermittency of failure.
Last edited by 61mga; Oct 23, 2020 at 10:54 AM.
I'd probably replace one of the O2 sensors, they are only about $80, if you buy genuine NTG / NGK sensors, not AM branded ones. In the UK they are readily available on ebay.
Its usually the ones closest to the engine that go first, but with an '06 your front ones may have been replaced?
If you're having a problem with cylinders 4 and 7, that won't be your o2 sensors, most likely its plugs or coils
Its usually the ones closest to the engine that go first, but with an '06 your front ones may have been replaced?
If you're having a problem with cylinders 4 and 7, that won't be your o2 sensors, most likely its plugs or coils
I'd probably replace one of the O2 sensors, they are only about $80, if you buy genuine NTG / NGK sensors, not AM branded ones. In the UK they are readily available on ebay.
Its usually the ones closest to the engine that go first, but with an '06 your front ones may have been replaced?
If you're having a problem with cylinders 4 and 7, that won't be your o2 sensors, most likely its plugs or coils
Its usually the ones closest to the engine that go first, but with an '06 your front ones may have been replaced?
If you're having a problem with cylinders 4 and 7, that won't be your o2 sensors, most likely its plugs or coils
The B2S1 O2 sensor was replaced in a Jan '18 right before I purchased the car. It was actually throwing an O2 sensor fault (P0153) at that time.
My current suspension is that whatever is causing the misfire is happens to also be driving the rich reading.
That said, i still need to find some time to swap the S2 sensors to verify that the abnormal reading doesn't follow the sensor.
Question, did you disconnect the battery and re-learn the misfire corrections when you originally replaced coils/plugs? Does it actually feel like it's running on 6 cylinders? If it is an actual misfire you are going to have rich condition on that bank because of the unburned fuel.
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I'd probably replace one of the O2 sensors, they are only about $80, if you buy genuine NTG / NGK sensors, not AM branded ones. In the UK they are readily available on ebay.
Its usually the ones closest to the engine that go first, but with an '06 your front ones may have been replaced?
If you're having a problem with cylinders 4 and 7, that won't be your o2 sensors, most likely its plugs or coils
Its usually the ones closest to the engine that go first, but with an '06 your front ones may have been replaced?
If you're having a problem with cylinders 4 and 7, that won't be your o2 sensors, most likely its plugs or coils
Question, did you disconnect the battery and re-learn the misfire corrections when you originally replaced coils/plugs? Does it actually feel like it's running on 6 cylinders? If it is an actual misfire you are going to have rich condition on that bank because of the unburned fuel.
Did you swap both upstream and downstream sensors? How old is your air filter? Check the MAF? Could be wiring related too. It could actually be running rich, which might be injectors, but probably not.
Last edited by blue2000s; Dec 6, 2020 at 08:40 PM.
The air filter was about 5 years old. It only had about 10k mi on it, and was visually about 60% through its life. That said, i went ahead and replaced them, to no avail.
I did check the MAF, I don't have a good way validate the value, but it is generally responding appropriately.
Any thoughts on how to double check the injectors? For whats worth, below are a few fuel system related values that i pulled from my scanner:
Throttle Position 22%
Engine RPM 3417
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 1 - 13.3%
Long Term Fuel Trim Bank 1 - 5.5%
Short Term Fuel Trim Bank 2 - 21.9%
Long Term Fuel Trim Bank 2 - 5.5%
Intake Manifold Pressure - 7.7 psi
Ignition Timing Advance #1 Cyl - 25deg
Fuel Rail Pressure Rel - 55psi
Last edited by 00dehj; Jan 2, 2021 at 07:21 AM.
I think the downstream sensor is really only to check for catalytic converter efficiency, and should not control the trims. (to be fair, I've not looked deeply into this on my Vantage, but spent WAY too much time on this on a LR disco). If you look at the reading, upstream sensor (nearest engine) should fluctuate positive/negative. Downstream is normally pretty steady. (again, this is from a different vehicle, but I'd assume the AMs behave the same way.)
Positive short term trim would indicate a lean condition, with the ECU adding more fuel to try and compensate. Could it be as simple as a vacuum leak?
This is a link has some good advice on troubleshooting.
https://www.mechanic.com.au/news/und...rm-fuel-trims1
Matt
Positive short term trim would indicate a lean condition, with the ECU adding more fuel to try and compensate. Could it be as simple as a vacuum leak?
This is a link has some good advice on troubleshooting.
https://www.mechanic.com.au/news/und...rm-fuel-trims1
Matt
Followup - here is a link to the DB9 OBD diagnostic manual. Same codes and procedures apply, just a bit simpler.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oi7g4kvv2...-2004.pdf?dl=0
matt
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oi7g4kvv2...-2004.pdf?dl=0
matt
After putting the first few hundred miles on my BRAND NEW motor I got an emission system service required light too. Took it back to the dealer and it's reading the same codes with a misfire on cyl 8. They're starting with plugs but of course the master tech had a covid scare so service dept got shut down for a week. Luckily everything should be covered under warranty but I'll keep you posted on what they find.
After putting the first few hundred miles on my BRAND NEW motor I got an emission system service required light too. Took it back to the dealer and it's reading the same codes with a misfire on cyl 8. They're starting with plugs but of course the master tech had a covid scare so service dept got shut down for a week. Luckily everything should be covered under warranty but I'll keep you posted on what they find.
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