"Fantastic 4" ~ e92 M3 vs RS4 vs C63 vs IS-F
#61
08-27-2008, 05:29 AM
I would love to run into you on the highway gt3ranger as long as its your rs4 and not any of your other cars. Lets see who rips whose lungs out. Its a shame how someone with so many nice cars gets involved ina bmw **** riding thread.
Cheers,
#62
08-27-2008, 10:34 AM
Not so much, I am just enjoying making you look like a hypocrit! 
As for "calling me the **** out", you ******bag, I already called YOU out and put up $1,000, how are you now calling me out???? You have a PERSONAL invite to TX2K9, if not, come down sooner, i'm ready right now... Right now...
As for the TQ, give me a break, you should be comparing TQ curves and numbers to an S2000, and NOT the IS-F.
Peter <--- not scared to hide behind a keyboard forum name
As for "calling me the **** out", you ******bag, I already called YOU out and put up $1,000, how are you now calling me out???? You have a PERSONAL invite to TX2K9, if not, come down sooner, i'm ready right now... Right now...As for the TQ, give me a break, you should be comparing TQ curves and numbers to an S2000, and NOT the IS-F.
Peter <--- not scared to hide behind a keyboard forum name
You are going to give yourself a heart attack over there, not that I care.
I am trying to be reasonable but you seem to be more interested in being an ******* with a keyboard. Why wait for TX2K9, if you would be willing to meet half way we can run our cars as soon as you would like. But, perhaps YOU would like to hide behind your keyboard instead?
You really should stop running your mouth about torque this torque that. Oh ya, the Lexus peak torque figures look sooo nice on paper. The ISF does not make peak torque until 5200 RPM anyway! The M3 hits its torque peak much lower and MAINTAINS it to redline. That test of the ISF with 114 vs. the M3's 113 trap, which car was faster to 100 and 150? The M3 beat it to both marks, the only reason the IS had the 1 mph was due to the M3's shift. The manual M3 sedan pulled it down low anyway running a 12.6 vs. a 12.8 for the ISF and UP TOP top 150. So much for your from a roll a theory. THE 7 SPEED DCT WILL SPANK IT, enough is enough. The DCT tranny is enough to bridge the gap to the C63, BIG DIFFERENCE. I had a few runs today in my car vs. sturdy competition, I know exactly where I stand and I am calling you the **** out. Lets meet up and do this, I don't care where you are.
As for the guy talking about running an ISF with his RS4 (the redheaded stepchild of the bunch) and somehow relating that to an M3 running get real. You are really reaching for anything you can if you feel THAT is supporting your argument. The RS4 is a fantastic vehicle but straightline speed with this bunch is not what it is about. I would rather have that car than the ISF though.
I am trying to be reasonable but you seem to be more interested in being an ******* with a keyboard. Why wait for TX2K9, if you would be willing to meet half way we can run our cars as soon as you would like. But, perhaps YOU would like to hide behind your keyboard instead?
You really should stop running your mouth about torque this torque that. Oh ya, the Lexus peak torque figures look sooo nice on paper. The ISF does not make peak torque until 5200 RPM anyway! The M3 hits its torque peak much lower and MAINTAINS it to redline. That test of the ISF with 114 vs. the M3's 113 trap, which car was faster to 100 and 150? The M3 beat it to both marks, the only reason the IS had the 1 mph was due to the M3's shift. The manual M3 sedan pulled it down low anyway running a 12.6 vs. a 12.8 for the ISF and UP TOP top 150. So much for your from a roll a theory. THE 7 SPEED DCT WILL SPANK IT, enough is enough. The DCT tranny is enough to bridge the gap to the C63, BIG DIFFERENCE. I had a few runs today in my car vs. sturdy competition, I know exactly where I stand and I am calling you the **** out. Lets meet up and do this, I don't care where you are.
As for the guy talking about running an ISF with his RS4 (the redheaded stepchild of the bunch) and somehow relating that to an M3 running get real. You are really reaching for anything you can if you feel THAT is supporting your argument. The RS4 is a fantastic vehicle but straightline speed with this bunch is not what it is about. I would rather have that car than the ISF though.
Last edited by houstonT; 08-27-2008 at 10:43 AM.
#63
08-27-2008, 10:39 AM
Yea, post 22, that has nothing to do with me dingbat!!!!! As for your M5, yes, I would LOVE to challenge YOU. As a matter of fact, I challenge ANY CAR you have... We can go from a dig and from a roll....the catch is that I will post the video of me spanking you all over the internet...deal?
Oh and I forgot to mention, I'll be running my toy car, and not my daily driver...
Peter
p.s. of course the gas alone for the Supra is not worth it to spank the cars you have...it just goes to show you how RIDICULOUS you challenging my IS-F in your M5 is, especially since I've not said one negative thing about the M5...you wanna play this game, let's go...I'll bring the 2-door...
Oh and I forgot to mention, I'll be running my toy car, and not my daily driver...
Peter
p.s. of course the gas alone for the Supra is not worth it to spank the cars you have...it just goes to show you how RIDICULOUS you challenging my IS-F in your M5 is, especially since I've not said one negative thing about the M5...you wanna play this game, let's go...I'll bring the 2-door...
houstonT the comment about the M5 came from your cohort h20tt. This was stated on post #22 on this thread.
Mr. h20tt I definitely would love to run into you in the highway so I can rip your lungs out.
Mr. houstonT I will not apologize because you make statements to me to go and crawl back under a rock, well buddy to heck with you.
I do not know why I should even give a **** about this, but you are wrong.
I have not seen a single believeable / valid video relating to the M3 and IS-F.
houstonT please go ahead and throw your hat in the fray in the Houston / Dallas / Ft. Worth with the forum. You will get competition.
And if you want to challenge an M5 I am more than willing.
There is so much I can discuss but bottomline I do not give a **** what you think.
See ya buddy
Ranger
Mr. h20tt I definitely would love to run into you in the highway so I can rip your lungs out.
Mr. houstonT I will not apologize because you make statements to me to go and crawl back under a rock, well buddy to heck with you.
I do not know why I should even give a **** about this, but you are wrong.
I have not seen a single believeable / valid video relating to the M3 and IS-F.
houstonT please go ahead and throw your hat in the fray in the Houston / Dallas / Ft. Worth with the forum. You will get competition.
And if you want to challenge an M5 I am more than willing.
There is so much I can discuss but bottomline I do not give a **** what you think.
See ya buddy
Ranger
#64
08-27-2008, 12:54 PM
Not so much, I am just enjoying making you look like a hypocrit! As for "calling me the **** out", you ******bag, I already called YOU out and put up $1,000, how are you now calling me out???? You have a PERSONAL invite to TX2K9, if not, come down sooner, i'm ready right now... Right now...
As for the TQ, give me a break, you should be comparing TQ curves and numbers to an S2000, and NOT the IS-F.
Peter <--- not scared to hide behind a keyboard forum name
As for "calling me the **** out", you ******bag, I already called YOU out and put up $1,000, how are you now calling me out???? You have a PERSONAL invite to TX2K9, if not, come down sooner, i'm ready right now... Right now...As for the TQ, give me a break, you should be comparing TQ curves and numbers to an S2000, and NOT the IS-F.
Peter <--- not scared to hide behind a keyboard forum name
#65
08-27-2008, 01:31 PM
Hahhhhahhahah, outsmarted, and having NOTHING of substance to say now???? You are resorting to "shut your mouth....little man..."??? You don't know me nor do you know anything about me, don't start the keyboard warrior crap, it's really really really pathetic... Having dealt with jokes like you in the past, I know you won't show and will continue this keyboard warrior bit, but let's give it a go...
El Paso, TX is 750 miles from me, this Saturday (8/30), let's meet at 4pm. You pick a place on the outskirts of town so that we can line them up on an open road. If you'd like we can go top speed as well but we both know how that will end with your speed limiter...
Peter
El Paso, TX is 750 miles from me, this Saturday (8/30), let's meet at 4pm. You pick a place on the outskirts of town so that we can line them up on an open road. If you'd like we can go top speed as well but we both know how that will end with your speed limiter...
Peter
Last edited by houstonT; 08-27-2008 at 01:37 PM.
#66
08-27-2008, 01:37 PM
Hahhhhahhahah, outsmarted, and having NOTHING of substance to say now???? You are resorting to "shut your mouth....little man..."??? You don't know me nor do you know anything about me, don't start the keyboard warrior crap, it's really really really pathetic... Having dealt with jokes like you in the past, I know you won't show and will continue this keyboard warrior bit, but let's give it a go...
El Paso, TX is 750 miles from me, this Saturday (8/30), let's meet at 4pm. You pick a place on the outskirts of town so that we can line them up on an open road. If you'd like we can go top speed as well but we both know how that will end with your speed limiter...
Peter
El Paso, TX is 750 miles from me, this Saturday (8/30), let's meet at 4pm. You pick a place on the outskirts of town so that we can line them up on an open road. If you'd like we can go top speed as well but we both know how that will end with your speed limiter...
Peter
Maybe you should take a look at a map? Is El Paso in the middle? It is still closer to you, even a Texan should be able to figure out a map.
I was thinking more along the lines of Arizona, maybe New Mexico to be a bit more fair on neutral turf. What about an excuse to go to Vegas?
Last edited by CURI0; 08-27-2008 at 01:42 PM.
#67
08-27-2008, 02:11 PM
Wow this has entertained me at work for the longest time. You two are seriously amazing. Reminds me of E46 Fanatics when people used to battle over 330ci Supercharged vs. M3.
If I can be the rational mind here since both of you(although you may not be) seem quite heated about this whole ordeal.
I think it is clear that you both think that your cars are great. I agree, both are purpose built speed machines which will outperform 98.9% of all vehicles on the road & track(not a magazine pun I promise).
That being said I hope that you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot...but I digress..
The IS-F is a formidable opponent to the M3. The M3, along with many other BMW models, are considered the benchmark when it comes to the all around package of performance, luxury, handling, and class...etc etc..etc... Which I think is the point CURIO is trying to convey, but has been lost in the translation of analyzing Dyno charts to show the superiority of engineering by the BMW engine for making the power it does given its size vs. that of a larger displacement engines i.e. RS4, C63, and IS-F
But the reason we have different makes and models with different setups is for competition! It should not discount the ability and power of these said competitors. Although one can argue that squeezing power out of a lower displacment engine is super impressive, thelarger displacement engines or those with a blower on them can perform just as well.
Given the cars similar hp output ( per the posted dyno results I believe it was 5-6 whp difference give or take a few) The cars should perform rather similarly "in a straight line." It seems it can be anyone's race. Given the information I have personally seen in publications the M3, although it traps lower, has a faster 1/4 than the IS-F. Anyone who knows what trap means though, understands that this may mean the car is faster. This is the arguement at hand which has long been forgotten in the last 4 pages of the thread.
So rather than have name calling/who's got the bigger stick war that could go on for days...lets both agree that each others cars a fast, great performers, and that on any given day, either one could be the winner!
Hope that this helps.
Also for Houston...who may see my sig and think I'm being biased...I have no preference. I'm a BMW enthusiast but have massive respect for the IS-F...that said I have yet to drive either of the cars and I dont' believe a Butt-Dyno can really determine how fast one might be. So please boys, stop with the bickering...lets accept that we are all passionate about our cars and move on. This type of convo should be left for the ricers w/ B18s to battle.
Stay Classy San Diego.
-Ryan Allison
If I can be the rational mind here since both of you(although you may not be) seem quite heated about this whole ordeal.
I think it is clear that you both think that your cars are great. I agree, both are purpose built speed machines which will outperform 98.9% of all vehicles on the road & track(not a magazine pun I promise).
That being said I hope that you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot...but I digress..
The IS-F is a formidable opponent to the M3. The M3, along with many other BMW models, are considered the benchmark when it comes to the all around package of performance, luxury, handling, and class...etc etc..etc... Which I think is the point CURIO is trying to convey, but has been lost in the translation of analyzing Dyno charts to show the superiority of engineering by the BMW engine for making the power it does given its size vs. that of a larger displacement engines i.e. RS4, C63, and IS-F
But the reason we have different makes and models with different setups is for competition! It should not discount the ability and power of these said competitors. Although one can argue that squeezing power out of a lower displacment engine is super impressive, thelarger displacement engines or those with a blower on them can perform just as well.
Given the cars similar hp output ( per the posted dyno results I believe it was 5-6 whp difference give or take a few) The cars should perform rather similarly "in a straight line." It seems it can be anyone's race. Given the information I have personally seen in publications the M3, although it traps lower, has a faster 1/4 than the IS-F. Anyone who knows what trap means though, understands that this may mean the car is faster. This is the arguement at hand which has long been forgotten in the last 4 pages of the thread.
So rather than have name calling/who's got the bigger stick war that could go on for days...lets both agree that each others cars a fast, great performers, and that on any given day, either one could be the winner!
Hope that this helps.
Also for Houston...who may see my sig and think I'm being biased...I have no preference. I'm a BMW enthusiast but have massive respect for the IS-F...that said I have yet to drive either of the cars and I dont' believe a Butt-Dyno can really determine how fast one might be. So please boys, stop with the bickering...lets accept that we are all passionate about our cars and move on. This type of convo should be left for the ricers w/ B18s to battle.
Stay Classy San Diego.
-Ryan Allison
#68
08-27-2008, 02:29 PM
Wow this has entertained me at work for the longest time. You two are seriously amazing. Reminds me of E46 Fanatics when people used to battle over 330ci Supercharged vs. M3.
If I can be the rational mind here since both of you(although you may not be) seem quite heated about this whole ordeal.
I think it is clear that you both think that your cars are great. I agree, both are purpose built speed machines which will outperform 98.9% of all vehicles on the road & track(not a magazine pun I promise).
That being said I hope that you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot...but I digress..
The IS-F is a formidable opponent to the M3. The M3, along with many other BMW models, are considered the benchmark when it comes to the all around package of performance, luxury, handling, and class...etc etc..etc... Which I think is the point CURIO is trying to convey, but has been lost in the translation of analyzing Dyno charts to show the superiority of engineering by the BMW engine for making the power it does given its size vs. that of a larger displacement engines i.e. RS4, C63, and IS-F
But the reason we have different makes and models with different setups is for competition! It should not discount the ability and power of these said competitors. Although one can argue that squeezing power out of a lower displacment engine is super impressive, thelarger displacement engines or those with a blower on them can perform just as well.
Given the cars similar hp output ( per the posted dyno results I believe it was 5-6 whp difference give or take a few) The cars should perform rather similarly "in a straight line." It seems it can be anyone's race. Given the information I have personally seen in publications the M3, although it traps lower, has a faster 1/4 than the IS-F. Anyone who knows what trap means though, understands that this may mean the car is faster. This is the arguement at hand which has long been forgotten in the last 4 pages of the thread.
So rather than have name calling/who's got the bigger stick war that could go on for days...lets both agree that each others cars a fast, great performers, and that on any given day, either one could be the winner!
Hope that this helps.
Also for Houston...who may see my sig and think I'm being biased...I have no preference. I'm a BMW enthusiast but have massive respect for the IS-F...that said I have yet to drive either of the cars and I dont' believe a Butt-Dyno can really determine how fast one might be. So please boys, stop with the bickering...lets accept that we are all passionate about our cars and move on. This type of convo should be left for the ricers w/ B18s to battle.
Stay Classy San Diego.
-Ryan Allison
If I can be the rational mind here since both of you(although you may not be) seem quite heated about this whole ordeal.
I think it is clear that you both think that your cars are great. I agree, both are purpose built speed machines which will outperform 98.9% of all vehicles on the road & track(not a magazine pun I promise).
That being said I hope that you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot...but I digress..
The IS-F is a formidable opponent to the M3. The M3, along with many other BMW models, are considered the benchmark when it comes to the all around package of performance, luxury, handling, and class...etc etc..etc... Which I think is the point CURIO is trying to convey, but has been lost in the translation of analyzing Dyno charts to show the superiority of engineering by the BMW engine for making the power it does given its size vs. that of a larger displacement engines i.e. RS4, C63, and IS-F
But the reason we have different makes and models with different setups is for competition! It should not discount the ability and power of these said competitors. Although one can argue that squeezing power out of a lower displacment engine is super impressive, thelarger displacement engines or those with a blower on them can perform just as well.
Given the cars similar hp output ( per the posted dyno results I believe it was 5-6 whp difference give or take a few) The cars should perform rather similarly "in a straight line." It seems it can be anyone's race. Given the information I have personally seen in publications the M3, although it traps lower, has a faster 1/4 than the IS-F. Anyone who knows what trap means though, understands that this may mean the car is faster. This is the arguement at hand which has long been forgotten in the last 4 pages of the thread.
So rather than have name calling/who's got the bigger stick war that could go on for days...lets both agree that each others cars a fast, great performers, and that on any given day, either one could be the winner!
Hope that this helps.
Also for Houston...who may see my sig and think I'm being biased...I have no preference. I'm a BMW enthusiast but have massive respect for the IS-F...that said I have yet to drive either of the cars and I dont' believe a Butt-Dyno can really determine how fast one might be. So please boys, stop with the bickering...lets accept that we are all passionate about our cars and move on. This type of convo should be left for the ricers w/ B18s to battle.
Stay Classy San Diego.
-Ryan Allison
#69
08-27-2008, 02:37 PM
You NEVER cease to amaze me!!!!
Anaheim Hills,CA to Houston, TX = 1,526 miles
1/2 the distance would be about 763 miles
Anaheim Hills, CA to El Paso, TX = 777 miles
LORD GOD, please tell me that in person you are not this big of a dumbass!!!!!! Sooooooooooo, like I said, El Paso this Saturday? Or are you going to find a reason to back out and live up to your "keyboard warrior" status?????
Peter
Anaheim Hills,CA to Houston, TX = 1,526 miles
1/2 the distance would be about 763 miles
Anaheim Hills, CA to El Paso, TX = 777 miles
LORD GOD, please tell me that in person you are not this big of a dumbass!!!!!!
Sooooooooooo, like I said, El Paso this Saturday? Or are you going to find a reason to back out and live up to your "keyboard warrior" status?????Peter
Seems you would rather be a keyboard jockey.
Maybe you should take a look at a map? Is El Paso in the middle? It is still closer to you, even a Texan should be able to figure out a map.
I was thinking more along the lines of Arizona, maybe New Mexico to be a bit more fair on neutral turf. What about an excuse to go to Vegas?
Maybe you should take a look at a map? Is El Paso in the middle? It is still closer to you, even a Texan should be able to figure out a map.
I was thinking more along the lines of Arizona, maybe New Mexico to be a bit more fair on neutral turf. What about an excuse to go to Vegas?
#70
08-27-2008, 02:39 PM
You NEVER cease to amaze me!!!!
Anaheim Hills,CA to Houston, TX = 1,526 miles
1/2 the distance would be about 763 miles
Anaheim Hills, CA to El Paso, TX = 777 miles
LORD GOD, please tell me that in person you are not this big of a dumbass!!!!!! Sooooooooooo, like I said, El Paso this Saturday? Or are you going to find a reason to back out and live up to your "keyboard warrior" status?????
Peter
Anaheim Hills,CA to Houston, TX = 1,526 miles
1/2 the distance would be about 763 miles
Anaheim Hills, CA to El Paso, TX = 777 miles
LORD GOD, please tell me that in person you are not this big of a dumbass!!!!!!
Sooooooooooo, like I said, El Paso this Saturday? Or are you going to find a reason to back out and live up to your "keyboard warrior" status?????Peter
You have been to El Paso you know El Paso, no thanks.
Las Cruces, New Mexico, work?
#71
08-27-2008, 02:39 PM
Ryan, thank you for your level headed post. I will make one comment...along the lines of fast vs. quick...the IS-F is faster (as has been proven by the head to head test results) and in MOST cases the IS-F has also posted the quicker ET.
Take care,
Peter
Take care,
Peter
Wow this has entertained me at work for the longest time. You two are seriously amazing. Reminds me of E46 Fanatics when people used to battle over 330ci Supercharged vs. M3.
If I can be the rational mind here since both of you(although you may not be) seem quite heated about this whole ordeal.
I think it is clear that you both think that your cars are great. I agree, both are purpose built speed machines which will outperform 98.9% of all vehicles on the road & track(not a magazine pun I promise).
That being said I hope that you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot...but I digress..
The IS-F is a formidable opponent to the M3. The M3, along with many other BMW models, are considered the benchmark when it comes to the all around package of performance, luxury, handling, and class...etc etc..etc... Which I think is the point CURIO is trying to convey, but has been lost in the translation of analyzing Dyno charts to show the superiority of engineering by the BMW engine for making the power it does given its size vs. that of a larger displacement engines i.e. RS4, C63, and IS-F
But the reason we have different makes and models with different setups is for competition! It should not discount the ability and power of these said competitors. Although one can argue that squeezing power out of a lower displacment engine is super impressive, thelarger displacement engines or those with a blower on them can perform just as well.
Given the cars similar hp output ( per the posted dyno results I believe it was 5-6 whp difference give or take a few) The cars should perform rather similarly "in a straight line." It seems it can be anyone's race. Given the information I have personally seen in publications the M3, although it traps lower, has a faster 1/4 than the IS-F. Anyone who knows what trap means though, understands that this may mean the car is faster. This is the arguement at hand which has long been forgotten in the last 4 pages of the thread.
So rather than have name calling/who's got the bigger stick war that could go on for days...lets both agree that each others cars a fast, great performers, and that on any given day, either one could be the winner!
Hope that this helps.
Also for Houston...who may see my sig and think I'm being biased...I have no preference. I'm a BMW enthusiast but have massive respect for the IS-F...that said I have yet to drive either of the cars and I dont' believe a Butt-Dyno can really determine how fast one might be. So please boys, stop with the bickering...lets accept that we are all passionate about our cars and move on. This type of convo should be left for the ricers w/ B18s to battle.
Stay Classy San Diego.
-Ryan Allison
If I can be the rational mind here since both of you(although you may not be) seem quite heated about this whole ordeal.
I think it is clear that you both think that your cars are great. I agree, both are purpose built speed machines which will outperform 98.9% of all vehicles on the road & track(not a magazine pun I promise).
That being said I hope that you know that 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot...but I digress..
The IS-F is a formidable opponent to the M3. The M3, along with many other BMW models, are considered the benchmark when it comes to the all around package of performance, luxury, handling, and class...etc etc..etc... Which I think is the point CURIO is trying to convey, but has been lost in the translation of analyzing Dyno charts to show the superiority of engineering by the BMW engine for making the power it does given its size vs. that of a larger displacement engines i.e. RS4, C63, and IS-F
But the reason we have different makes and models with different setups is for competition! It should not discount the ability and power of these said competitors. Although one can argue that squeezing power out of a lower displacment engine is super impressive, thelarger displacement engines or those with a blower on them can perform just as well.
Given the cars similar hp output ( per the posted dyno results I believe it was 5-6 whp difference give or take a few) The cars should perform rather similarly "in a straight line." It seems it can be anyone's race. Given the information I have personally seen in publications the M3, although it traps lower, has a faster 1/4 than the IS-F. Anyone who knows what trap means though, understands that this may mean the car is faster. This is the arguement at hand which has long been forgotten in the last 4 pages of the thread.
So rather than have name calling/who's got the bigger stick war that could go on for days...lets both agree that each others cars a fast, great performers, and that on any given day, either one could be the winner!
Hope that this helps.
Also for Houston...who may see my sig and think I'm being biased...I have no preference. I'm a BMW enthusiast but have massive respect for the IS-F...that said I have yet to drive either of the cars and I dont' believe a Butt-Dyno can really determine how fast one might be. So please boys, stop with the bickering...lets accept that we are all passionate about our cars and move on. This type of convo should be left for the ricers w/ B18s to battle.
Stay Classy San Diego.
-Ryan Allison
#72
08-27-2008, 02:41 PM
Yup, just like I figured......another keyboard ****** that when called out back peddles like a *****. I have been to El Paso? Huh? When? El Paso is about as familiar to me as Providence, RI. Sure I've heard of them both, but never had the desire to visit. It's BLATANTLY obvious that you are too big of a chicken **** to step up and show up, so admit to it, we'll call it like it is, and move on...
First I called you out...you back pedaled and tried calling me out???? I then accepted on YOUR terms (meet 1/2 way) and now you have some other excuse... Just give it up...
Peter
First I called you out...you back pedaled and tried calling me out???? I then accepted on YOUR terms (meet 1/2 way) and now you have some other excuse... Just give it up...
Peter
#73
08-27-2008, 02:47 PM
Yup, just like I figured......another keyboard ****** that when called out back peddles like a *****. I have been to El Paso? Huh? When? El Paso is about as familiar to me as Providence, RI. Sure I've heard of them both, but never had the desire to visit. It's BLATANTLY obvious that you are too big of a chicken **** to step up and show up, so admit to it, we'll call it like it is, and move on...
First I called you out...you back pedaled and tried calling me out???? I then accepted on YOUR terms (meet 1/2 way) and now you have some other excuse... Just give it up...
Peter
First I called you out...you back pedaled and tried calling me out???? I then accepted on YOUR terms (meet 1/2 way) and now you have some other excuse... Just give it up...
Peter
