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Old Jan 3, 2007 | 07:53 PM
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This is the vid of the M3 he's talking about (vs Supra and stock M3):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8are4OVjE1A


The price of the turbo kit is $16K...
http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/sale...s/part/HPF_750
 
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The cars are low on torque because a cam shaft is designed to work optimally at one specific RPM. You cannot have a car that will make high RPM HP and have low end punch. The only way that i could imagine that you could do that would be to eliminate that cam shaft and use all solenoids for the valves.

Just ask Martin (IllM3) how well a fully prepped M3 can handle.
 
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There is a guy named TazaM3 on e46fanatics who has a 600rwhp M3 and he has had no reliability issues. I have never heard of a S54B32 (the engine in the e46 M3) throwing a rob. They have forged internals and an iron block which should make it perfect for boost once the compression ratio is reduced.
 
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.... and the motor will last 13.13 minutes on the track.
 
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Originally Posted by LUIS95993
Warning to M3 owners with a PSHHH sound coming from it.
Be on the lookout for GT2's and 996TT's with a PSHHHH sound coming from it.

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Old Jan 3, 2007 | 08:05 PM
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. I have never heard of a S54B32 (the engine in the e46 M3) throwing a rob.
With all due respect, they had numerous rod issues when they were first on the market... and that was stock. BMW was real hush hush about it, but the early ones were not rock solid. I like the car, came real close to buying one. It was too hard to upgrade economically. Kevin
 
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Originally Posted by crazy1323
the price tag on the turbo kit is 16K. The aditional 14K was for every other modification needed, carbon hood, trunk, fenders, roof, race seats, cage, clutch, coils, and everything else need. When you consider that next to the cost of a GT700 kit with makes 700HP and this kit makes 800HP.
I'd put my GT2 GT700 up against it anyday. We can drag race then, we'll hit the twisties. My GT700 makes 670RWHP and weighs less than an M3.
 
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The car will be useless without a tremendous amount of work done to put down any sort of power its making. My lightened up stg 2+ sc'd M3 with 460+ whp was useless for the first 3 gears on stock gearing, 285's in the rear, suspension setup numberous diff ways and it SUCKED, no traction! For the lack of torque people claim (400 crank) or so, the throttle response and power in first or 2nd was enough to instantly shred the tires!

I dont think any of us are worried. I for one LOVE E46 M3's and will have another as a daily replacing my G35, but i would never ever go FI on it EVER again!

BTW HPF wanted me to be one of the first with it, but i told them no for several reasons, 1st and foremost is the amount of power on a stock motor, i dont care what anyone says, they will have alot of complaints but i wish them luck!
 

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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
I'd put my GT2 GT700 up against it anyday. We can drag race then, we'll hit the twisties. My GT700 makes 670RWHP and weighs less than an M3.





And he is even giving you a choice between a drag race or a twist session.
Either way my money is on RTV12.
 
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There's a dude on here with a 650hp M3 and it only traps 123mph, can we expect similar performance from this mighty beast?
 
Old Jan 3, 2007 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crazy1323
Be on the look out for an E46 M3 with a PSHHH sound coming from it. A company called HP Freaks is developing a turbo kit for the M3.

Right now there test car is completely stock, stock internals, exhaust... and they are making about 800bhp (677rwhp) at 15psi. This combined with a 8000RPM redline and good gearing will make this a car to be reckoned with on highway pulls. The M3 can also have weight stripped out of it very easily. It is also a wonderful chasis as far as handling is concerned.

Moral of the story is that with an E46 M3 and about 30K you can have a carbon fiber bodied, 800HP, 3000lb beast
Now that we have all been warned...WHERE CAN I FIND HIM? ....I have a Silver present to deliver...



Originally Posted by KPG
With all due respect, they had numerous rod issues when they were first on the market... and that was stock. BMW was real hush hush about it, but the early ones were not rock solid. I like the car, came real close to buying one. It was too hard to upgrade economically. Kevin
True...BMW replaced the rods in my 2003 M3 SMG at 30,000miles under a recall order...
 
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Now that we have all been warned...WHERE CAN I FIND HIM? ....I have a Silver present to deliver...





True...BMW replaced the rods in my 2003 M3 SMG at 30,000miles under a recall order...
I mean all of these M3 projects sure are amazing, seeing its limits and pushing the bar on that S54 motor as well as in general for the car. But as far as i see it, its all for bragging rights power wise, the car is USELESS at 550 hp, let alone these people going turbo with a tremendous amount more torque and 750+ HP.

I respect what they are doing, i just dont think it makes sense!
 
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Now that we have all been warned...WHERE CAN I FIND HIM? ....I have a Silver present to deliver...
Ditto.
 
Old Jan 3, 2007 | 08:52 PM
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let alone these people going turbo with a tremendous amount more torque and 750+ i just dont think it makes sense!
You are right... I am going back to stock Kevin
 
Old Jan 3, 2007 | 08:55 PM
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You are right... I am going back to stock Kevin
excluding cars who are proven capable of putting the power down Kevin (a la Porsche Turbo's/GT2's)! The turbo is insane with putting the power to the ground, its ridiculous. The M3 just couldnt, dont know what it was! Of course i didnt run full slicks and so on, but my turbo on street tires and rwd had no issues, much wider track and can fit wider tires!
 

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