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Old 01-03-2007, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
excluding cars who are capable of putting the power down Kevin (a la Porsche Turbo's/GT2's)! The turbo is insane with putting the power to the ground, its ridiculous. The M3 just couldnt, dont know what it was! Of course i didnt run full slicks and so on, but my turbo on street tires and rwd had no issues, much wider track and can fit wider tires!
Damn.... I guess I have to stick with the upcoming 3B....Kevin
 
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When you look at the video clip with stocker rollin from 40, it looks slow as ****! agreed the guy is a bit slow on the reactions, but we are talkin 600+ meant to be over stock, should pull way harder than that in my opinion!

Btw, did anyone notice how the cars tyres spin on the rims in 3rd gear?

Heard about this happening before!!!
 
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
I'd put my GT2 GT700 up against it anyday. We can drag race then, we'll hit the twisties. My GT700 makes 670RWHP and weighs less than an M3.
How did you get the 670rwhp Joe - pm me the answer

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The M3 makes a wonderful NA daily driver...however, the rods are notoriously weak, pencil thin (the same problem that the VQ 3.5, the M3 competitor, faces). I quarantee you that it will take way more than 30K to get an M3 up to TT or GT2 level, and that is a stock Porsche. I know because I was in the process of building a vQ 3.5 to 600 rwhp levels, and it was going to run me 35 plus K to do it right. And I had the best VQ tuner in the country next door. Are you trying to say that a BMW is cheaper to mod than a Nissan?

If so, then I have a bridge you might be interested in buying....
 
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Im with ILLM3 on this one...the M is just plain better stock...it loses ENOUGH traction as is and I cant imagine not having a usable 3rd gear!!

Cool that they were able to do this...but...not my bag of...whatever...
 
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Shoot! What state is this car in? I'll run him!
 
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My M is stock and I can spin in 2nd!
 
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Originally Posted by Dr_jitsu
The M3 makes a wonderful NA daily driver...however, the rods are notoriously weak, pencil thin (the same problem that the VQ 3.5, the M3 competitor, faces). I quarantee you that it will take way more than 30K to get an M3 up to TT or GT2 level, and that is a stock Porsche. I know because I was in the process of building a vQ 3.5 to 600 rwhp levels, and it was going to run me 35 plus K to do it right. And I had the best VQ tuner in the country next door. Are you trying to say that a BMW is cheaper to mod than a Nissan?

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The rod *bearings* were the issue with the early E46 M3's, not the rods themselves. I've never heard of a rod failure in an S54 motor without the presense of a bad bearing. The BMW I6 bottom ends are quite stout from the factory (minus the E46 bearing issue).

The Nissan VQ3.5 is no where near the same league as the S54.
 
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Originally Posted by Spencer
The rod *bearings* were the issue with the early E46 M3's, not the rods themselves. I've never heard of a rod failure in an S54 motor without the presense of a bad bearing. The BMW I6 bottom ends are quite stout from the factory (minus the E46 bearing issue).

The Nissan VQ3.5 is no where near the same league as the S54.
Agreed, you cant even compare the internal's strength from the VQ to S54, its apples and oranges, and its been proven already

S54 motor is extremely impressive, takes some good money but they are getting LOTS of power out of them, without any issues short of no traction
 
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Old 01-03-2007, 10:08 PM
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I know something for SURE. An 800HP M3 with stock internals will be impressive for about one month before the PSHHT sound turns into kaboom, knock, knock... then you will be back to 333HP running on 5 cylinders. If you're lucky.
 
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A lot of us had M3s. They are absolutely fantastic cars. I think they may go down in history, but it's no TT. You can't compare a 13.7 second car to a low 12 sec car.

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My M is stock and I can spin in 2nd!
 

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Again, I will stick by my claim: If you are foolish enough think you can build a 600 rwhp M3 on stock internals then you deserve the expensive kaboom you will get. If you can keep it running I would love to race you.

However the M3 makes the perfect daily driver.
 

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Originally Posted by ari
A lot of us of us had M3s. They are absolutely fantastic cars. I think they may go down in history, but it's no TT. You cn't compare a 13.7 second car to a low 12 sec car.
I have to object...They offer completely different experiences that the other can not touch...I LOVE my M3 and my TT in different ways...and I can say...the TT will NEVER drift/slide nearly as well as the M...and thats a lot of fun that the Pcar cant really have...
BUT...the trust of the Pcar is pretty amazing and the M fails to even feel fast in comparison...
 
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Originally Posted by wross996TT
You think all we care about is HP? NO...I didn't get my turbo to race any cars on the road. I bought it cause it is the BEST sports CAB made...period.
I would love to check out your car sometime, havent seen many (heck any) turbos up north here, but saw a couple of your posts.
 
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Originally Posted by villains_turbo
I would love to check out your car sometime, havent seen many (heck any) turbos up north here, but saw a couple of your posts.
That car is in Colorado....
 


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