Because the CSL is setup for it, and just on a different planet than the street E46 M3! i love how much slower the SMG is too haha!

 

Aright cool. Wasn't accusing the poster of anything, just didn't know. Thanks for the heads up.

 

IIRC, dyno tests have shown that the CSL is putting out a lot more power than BMW have let on... and more significantly, the CSL is running R-compound tires, which on a long track like the Nordschleife with lots of sweeping high-G corners, is worth tons.

also, i think the MPSC's on the CSL are actually more aggressive than what we now have on the 997 GT3's. the GT3's tires use a compound that is safer to run in the wet (though of course you still have to be careful,) whereas the ones on the CSL were really optimized for dry track use.

that's what I read about them anyway... can anyone confirm?

cheers

 

These blow a big hole in the theory of the M3 being on par with TT P-cars.

I am an avid M fan, but can't for one second see how the two vehicles discussed here can be compared.

I'll end with these questions; How many garages do you see out there with multiple M3's or TT P-cars? How many garages do you see out there with one of each, and why do you think this is?

 

no worries buddy. we're all here to learn from each other! cheers!

 

Not only is the CSL lighter than a regular M3 (by around 240 lbs.), but it's engine is massaged for even more power (360bhp). Larger induction system consisting of a CF airbox, etc. The DSC also has a CSL-specific M Track mode (less intrusive).

The suspension geometry is also modified, and I believe the front track is wider as well. Other differences include CSL-specific springs and dampers, quicker steering rack (later made available to regular M3s as part of the Competition Package), and forged wheels. And with MPSC tires as standard, it all makes for a monster track car.

I'd love to own one. Performance close to that of a 996 GT3 RS (also equipped with R-compounds) in a much more understated package (which I like).

 

I just don't get this!

He clocks a 11.97 which is a respectable time, but there are a load of guys in here that can **** all over that!

There is no point looking up previous times, different days and so on! It is best running at same time, same weather conditions, etc.

Is someone gonna do the business here?

 

Unlikely, though several TT owners have offered their a$$es up for the TT'd M3 raping.

 

From a roll.... I put my money on the turboed M3. If the M3 has more than 600rwhp... then it will smoke all the GT700's....Especially from a 60 mph hit.

Either way.. both cars are sick. Fun conversation anyway.

 

Nice find, a little old NA M3 so close to a GT2 on a real test. Lets talk N/A vs. N/A, even the GT3 couldnt beat the CSL's time. I dont see why a light M3 with a turbo wont take out a GT2.


Bad point, add 300HP to the CSL and there you have it again... I bet you cant touch the Loaded SC'd CSL even if you have 200hp more.

Thanks, i love it when guys that know whats up in the real world actually speak the truth.


Those are nice numbers.

Cool, here is my dyno. That was before the extra 50 shot nitrous.

Well straight line its not comparable but mostly everything else i think it is. Ive seen stock M3's take out stock 996TT's on road courses.

There was a 996TT and 997TT with an M3 in my garage at one point. Now its a 997TT, 997CS, M6 and coming back home soon, my M3.

Nobody has pissed on me with a P-car (unless VR has been there) on that track yet. I agree running at the same time, same track is the best.


You didnt just say that, put the flame suit on. We will see, when the car is done ill race whatever is out there (for fun ).

 

I've got a little old BMW to race you in Vic.

10.7 @ 135 MPH on pump gas in the old trim. That was raceweight 3152 lbs and 468 rwhp (on Dyno Dynamics). Of course it makes a bit more power now ..

 

I would be happy to race you Kenny.. Unfortunately i dont see myself going to Australia soon..

 

I think it will be much closer than you think. The TT launches hard and and makes approx 500 HP through the entire relevant rev range. Those are nice dyno numbres. The straight graph is vey indicative of a supercharger. More boost as RPMs rise, whereas, my turbo's wastegates limit boost at peak and you see relatively flat 500 HP all the way to redline. While I don't have a torque graph, I can tell you from comparison to previous cars that I out-torque you by 100 ft/lb across the rev range. That will be a factor as well.

I will offer this. 8000 RPM redline is a real advantage. Depending on gearing you may still be in 1st whle I'm in second, etc...

I love cars. I don't care what kind. I'm just a car guy, not really a diehard Porsche guy. Either way, if we can meet up it would be great fun. I don't really care who wins. It's the competition that's fun.

If you can make it to LACR sometime, I would love to meet you there. I'll even let you drive if you want to swap cars poviding you don't power shift. I baby this car a lot more than I did my M3. That thing took a beating and still kept ticking...

live in Topanga cnyn right next to wodland hills. maybe we'll just meet up at the starbucks? I would love to take a look at your car.

 

Ok, just be sure to beat my ET and trap with your 1300 hp car.

 

Give the GT3 some R-compounds and it oughta be in the 7:45 to 7:47 range.