I don't need to be a clairvoyant to know the New C class interior is ****ty I sat in one at a dealer.I know the C63 is an AMG or whatever but it's not gonna be much better thats for sure because AMG or not it's still a C class.And your right the M3 isn't a lightweight but it's still a good couple hunderd pounds lighter then the RS4 and the M3 is RWD meaning it will have alot less drive train loss.The RS4 barely gets past a stock 335 what makes you think it's going to hang with the M3? At least the over all interior is nicer then the C class though.If I lived in the area where weather sucked alot I'd buy and RS4 and thats it.I think the RS4 is great and all but will it defeat the New M3 um nooo BMW really isn't worried I'm sure...

335i Car and Driver Test copied from their site.
http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...ons-page5.html
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 26.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 145 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 156 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g

The following quotes by edmunds:
"At the track the RS 4 proves its mettle, launching from zero to 60 in just 4.7 brain-cell-punishing seconds. The quarter-mile disappears in 13.2 seconds at 106.8 mph."

"These impressions were borne out at the test track, where the 335i was not only four-tenths of a second quicker to the quarter-mile mark with a 13.4-second run but also moving at a significantly faster clip of 104.3 mph. Meanwhile, 60 mph came up in just 4.8 seconds."

And thats because the RS4 is rated at 120BHP More then the 335i.And in the slalom the 335 was just behind it and we're talking about a base BMW sport luxury coupe vs Audi's most aggressive car yet next to the R8.

And also the RS4 was beat by a 335 at VIR I think can't remember what mag did that test but you get my point right.

 

I still have them uninstalled, Scott. Someone recently sold me brand new links from the GT3 Cup car so I'm gonna be putting up the ones I bought from you for sale soon.

Agree with you about the new C class rear end. That thing is so out of shape that almost like a joke! And, yes CLK Black series is very nice. Only wish it doesn't cost $165k.

 

u do know there have been tests of the rs4 that ran 12.8@109-111

 

for arguements sake...check this out

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUOImLeby2Y

 

Uh nice M3 but am I missing something ? what does that have to with the thread?

 

LOL, my bad...i didnt mean to post the exhaust clip of my m3...here is what i meant to post

again, just for the sake of the arguement

http://www.rs6.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12916

 

The M3 CSL is the real competitor with the RS4
and the M3 competes with the S4.

Its like comparing a Z06 with a mustang GT.....it just doesnt work.

 

BMW in trouble? no. certainly not from Audi. moreover, if Audi makes the 08 RS4 with 450hp, they're in their own trouble pissing off their own customers who got the 07s. i highly doubt the sources because there's some cracks going on.

M3 is like cheaper version of the bench mark as 911. it's never about horsepower. it's all about the ''right'' balance which a higher powered AMG or Audi can never do. while it's cool to have the extra power & torque or maybe even the 4WD, but M3 is all about balance. the high-rev V8 is also one of BMW's main selling point that AMG & Audi can't match.

i like RS4 & C63 for difference reasons. but i just don't think they're gonna trouble M3 much.

 

I have trouble understanding why two cars in the same price range, same weight class, identical engine specs and target audience are not competitors to one and other.

Yes, the CSL will without a doubt be an amazing car, and I'll be right there in line to pick one up eventually too. But no, it is in no way the direct competitor to the RS4 and I am quite certain BMW wouldn't claim so either..

 

uh, the RS4 always had more hp than the m3, especially the e46. that doesn't mean much. anyone remember the top gear comparo with these cars?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vz39I589Y...elated&search=

 

If the RS4 and M3 are competitors...then who does the S4 compete with...a 335i?

The RS4 is the top of the line S4 as the M3 CSL is the top M3.......what is there not to understand.

 

Audi put a V8 in the S4 long ago because they could not engineer a six like BMW..................

 

I think the RS4 is the very LEAST of the new M3's problems.

 

I just have trouble with that kind of reasoning. You don't pick competitors based on your own impression of how Car producers develop their model range. You pick competitors based on how similar they are to one and other.

The S4 to the M3? Well, in that case you'll be comparing more performance with a lower cost. You'll get different results based on which criteria you've set up in the first place. The M3 CSL to the RS4? Same thing there. One will come at a lower price with more comfort, the other will be in another league performance-wise. Not a big surprise as one is a dedicated track car, the other a sedan or estate with room for a family. It's not a very constructive comparison.

The top of-the-line-Mini is not a competitor to the top-of-the-line Aston just because they're both at the top of their model line-up. They're different cars, for different purposes.

 

I think the S5/RS5 is though