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Old Sep 7, 2007 | 08:02 AM
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the m3 and 335 are two toally different cars. we all know it. i just said this in another thread and it holds true for me. i dont think i will ever buy a regular non M bmw, but i would def consider the 335i coupe because its a very good car. the e46 m3 on the other hand, once you lower it and put a good exhaust on is close to prefection from bmw.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
the m3 and 335 are two toally different cars. we all know it. i just said this in another thread and it holds true for me. i dont think i will ever buy a regular non M bmw, but i would def consider the 335i coupe because its a very good car. the e46 m3 on the other hand, once you lower it and put a good exhaust on is close to prefection from bmw.

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oof, 335i fan boys for teh funneh

why is it whenever anyone mentions M3 vs 335, automatically, it means the 335 gets to be modded for the comparison? just a trend i've noticed
 
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lol uh oh one of those "M" owners again *sigh*

According to your sig....I guess you were one of those "M" owners also.....
 
Old Sep 7, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by frankieb96
oof, 335i fan boys for teh funneh

why is it whenever anyone mentions M3 vs 335, automatically, it means the 335 gets to be modded for the comparison? just a trend i've noticed
simply just because of the fact that you can mod it easily with a reflash that will yield you 80 more hp. modding an m3 or any N/A car doesnt come easily...i know from my personal experience of my m3...25K worth of mods (15K being performance stuff) i havnt even gained as much hp as a chipped 335 will. even though my car is still faster it comes at a much greater price. i mean just my SS race exhaust costs significantly more than a reflash on a 335.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
simply just because of the fact that you can mod it easily with a reflash that will yield you 80 more hp. modding an m3 or any N/A car doesnt come easily...i know from my personal experience of my m3...25K worth of mods (15K being performance stuff) i havnt even gained as much hp as a chipped 335 will. even though my car is still faster it comes at a much greater price. i mean just my SS race exhaust costs significantly more than a reflash on a 335.
yes but. . .you can never compare stock to modded, it's apples and oranges; two totally different things

modded anything is usually greater than something in it's stock form
 
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yes but. . .you can never compare stock to modded, it's apples and oranges; two totally different things

modded anything is usually greater than something in it's stock form
yea, thats what im saying...people just assume a 335 is gonna be modded because its so easy to do.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
the m3 and 335 are two toally different cars. we all know it. i just said this in another thread and it holds true for me. i dont think i will ever buy a regular non M bmw, but i would def consider the 335i coupe because its a very good car. the e46 m3 on the other hand, once you lower it and put a good exhaust on is close to prefection from bmw.

since im a tuner i look at potential and the 335 has a much greater tuning potential at a much lower cost than an m3 and can definately work it... out from factory no but if both are tuned the 335 has a much greater power band potential
 
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lol uh oh one of those "M" owners again *sigh*
aha haha
 
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IMO out of the 3 cars, the M3 will be the more driver-centric trying to please more, the RS4 is the most trouble-less way to go from point A to B and the C63 the best car for comfortably covering long distances. I like each for a reason. I am disappointed at the M getting heavier but I am sure it will be a great all arounder.
 
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Originally Posted by motrsportM3
According to your sig....I guess you were one of those "M" owners also.....
Your exactly right but I'm not going to say the M3 is sooo much better that the 335 can never be as good or better then an M3 look most "M" owners do I loved my M and I love my 335 thats just me. I don't automatically assume that because it's missing an "M" on the *** that the car is below it like say a Lexus is Below a Bentley cause thats what I keep getting from alot of "M" Owners thats all.
 
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Originally Posted by Jmoney
Your exactly right but I'm not going to say the M3 is sooo much better that the 335 can never be as good or better then an M3 look most "M" owners do I loved my M and I love my 335 thats just me. I don't automatically assume that because it's missing an "M" on the *** that the car is below it like say a Lexus is Below a Bentley cause thats what I keep getting from alot of "M" Owners thats all.
not to rag the 335, but it is below an M...otherwise it would have one on the badge. M cars are completely different in almost all aspects...different suspension, different gearing, body panels, most notably the engine. if the M wasnt better, no one would pay more money for it.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
not to rag the 335, but it is below an M...otherwise it would have one on the badge. M cars are completely different in almost all aspects...different suspension, different gearing, body panels, most notably the engine. if the M wasnt better, no one would pay more money for it.
and thats where your wrong the m is no longer God Almighty BMW shut it down with the bi-turbo set ups but it doesnt matter ppl are still going to go for the name I have an "M" car im sooo special
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
not to rag the 335, but it is below an M...otherwise it would have one on the badge. M cars are completely different in almost all aspects...different suspension, different gearing, body panels, most notably the engine. if the M wasnt better, no one would pay more money for it.
Here's the thing People act as if anything with an ///M is perfect. They are superior out of the box but lets review here.If the "M" cars start with the same chassis as the standard Non-M car and the factory does "Mods" and different tid bits here and there it's still just a Factory tuned car thats all it is. An E46 3 series with and "M" tune ie: Upgraded engine,tranny,suspenison ,visual appeal but in all reality it started as a Non-M and if the the M3 or any M car was true perfection they would never mod it but people do because it can be better then it already is and the same thing for a regular 3 series which is what an "M" is based on so thats my point.Just like why a theres a 3,M3,CSL M3, M3 GTR if the M cars didn't start with a non "M" chassis BMW then maybe people can claim a NON-M will never be an M or as good/better then an M.With that said if both cars were completly left BONE Stock then an M is superior which works for most because alot of people don't mod which is understanable. But to think a non M won't ever be better then a "M" once modded then thats just ignorant.

Anyway sorry for the thread jack OP..
 

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Originally Posted by Jmoney
Here's the thing People act as if anything with an ///M is perfect. They are superior out of the box but lets review here.If the "M" cars start with the same chassis as the standard Non-M car and the factory does "Mods" and different tid bits here and there it's still just a Factory tuned car thats all it is. An E46 3 series with and "M" tune ie: Upgraded engine,tranny,suspenison ,visual appeal but in all reality it started as a Non-M and if the the M3 or any M car was true perfection they would never mod it but people do because it can be better then it already is and the same thing for a regular 3 series which is what an "M" is based on so thats my point.Just like why a theres a 3,M3,CSL M3, M3 GTR if the M cars didn't start with a non "M" chassis BMW then maybe people can claim a NON-M will never be an M or as good/better then an M.

Anyway sorry for the thread jack OP..
obv if you mod a car its a different story, but for the sake of the arguement, the way bmw makes the cars is they way they do because thats how they as engineers and a car company feel is the best setup for the general consumer...sure it can be better, thats why theres aftermarket, but from a stock to stock comparison, the M vs a 'reg' non m bmw is the better car. lets put it this way: if someone told you you had to take either a 335i coupe or an m3 coupe and you loved both cars but they said you could take one and not mod it whatsoever, which would you choose-THE M.
 


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