No worries, thanks for the clarification!

 

The arguing with the personal jabs is not conducive to a good debate. Where have you guys found the road and track specs on the new ZO6? I have always wanted a Porsche and finally bought one a few years ago. I thought I wanted a ZO6 until I drove one. I like to "think" that I can drive but in all truth I probably am just an average driver and for now I am content with my Turbo. I would like to drive a new ZO6 though, to see how they have changed since they first came out. I buy and drive what I like. Hell, half the time I drive a beater flatbed but it does have somewhere around 500 hp……LOL.

 

My kind of flatbed!

 

Nothing wrong with enjoying a supercar regardless of not being able to turn a lap within a second (or more) of a pro. The quickest acceleration, maximum braking and peak lateral g's can still be experienced and enjoyed independent being all tied together in a perfect lap.

 

I agree with both Stef430 and Alevine to some degree.

For the record I have a new GT3 on order, but I've owned a half dozen Corvettes from 1967 models on including both C5 Z06 (with LPE 427 and DRM mods) and C7 coupe. I "graduated" to a 2009 Porsche 911 C2S being captivated by just how much better it was made and designed. I have run both Vette's and 911's on the track and also daily driven them.

The new Corvette Z06 will push all of the performance measurement buttons for a lot less money than the GT3. It will probably beat it around the "Ring". No big shock here. The Corvette has always offered more performance for the money than Porsche. But in my opinion it has not offered a better overall driving and ownership experience than the 911, which is why I am unlikely to go back to the Corvette.

Stef430 says the Vette won't be the complete package the GT3 is.
Certainly the history of both models up to this point in time would justify his comments.

Alevine also rightly points out that no consumers have driven the new C7 Z06 yet, so although I consider it a long shot, it's possible that the overall experience with it will trump the new GT3. I consider this unlikely enough that my GT3 is staying on order.

Still as a former Vette guy, I think Chevy can be proud of their efforts for half the cost of a GT3 with the standard Vette. They have done a marvelous job with the new Corvette, despite it's Camaro like rear end and ridiculous use of vents and louvers everywhere.

 

What is the deal with the new GT3 lap times? I thought Porsche was building the 'latest and greatest' track weapon in the new GT3? Most of all, you don't want to get beat at the track in your 'latest and greatest,' and it clearly sounds like that will happen even though the car is easier to drive fast. So like stef you drive the 'track' car in the city and feel good about it. Wtf went wrong?

 

Nothing went "wrong" other than perhaps some misunderstanding by you. The GT3 is a street legal sports cars - it is not a track car in my opinion. My "track" cars include a Porsche Factory Motorsports RSR - three standard deviations above anything that you could possibly drive to the track or drive on the road. I love the GT3 as a daily driver - it is an uncompromising sports car. Hard stop. Track times? Uh.... do you mean on the 'ring? At a technical track such as Lime Rock or maybe you mean the Glen, Or Laguna or Road America or Daytona or Sebring - two cars will produce completely different times in comparison to each other with the same driver on different tracks. So.... please .... Buy what you love - drive what sets you on fire. I have beaten many higher horsepower cars a few classes above mine so it comes down to car, set up, track and trace pace - I even own a few track records around this country .. Don't understand what your issue is, but if you can rationalize it, great. Just know the context is important.....

 

The GT3 has never been slated as Porsches fastest. In spite of them neutering it with the 991. Everyone gets beat at the track. You should know that even with your should be fastest acr.

 

Agree with this guy, the goofy styling elements and cylinder de-activation (seriously? on a sportscar?) will keep me in the FORMER Corvette owner catagory.

 

this sums it up....ready?

ok when the Z first hits the street/car shows or whatever, it will get lots of "wows" but after 1 year that will be all over! Now take the 991GT3...sure it will get some "wows" now but that will last for many years to come...

Ok said what i wanted to say, good bye!

 

Good bye.

I guess, it's only in certain circles you put yourself in, where things you find interesting, others find interesting as well. Try getting out more. The C6Z06 is still a spectacular car, just as is the 997 GT3.

 

Although I understand the - I-don't-give-a-sh*t-what-my-mileage-is-on-my-sportscar - mentality, sometimes I get asked from people driving Volkswagens, etc..., what kind of mileage I get, and the like. At first, I'm usually thinking,"Who gives a f*ck?", but obviously, it is a concern to most.

I know that my wife is attracted to the idea of ~30MPG for our long road trips, but is still looking forward to driving the Stingray (maybe the Z06) to VIR, then to work the next day.

Why not have both? What is wrong with technology making the car more USABLE for 90%+ of the population that won't track it anyway, and think that racing exists from 0-60?

Cylinder deactivation doesn't mean less power, it just means less fuel when not needing it. Where is the downside? Perhaps I don't understand how it works. And I could almost bet there will be a performance mode that would engage all of the cylinders all of the time.

 

You totally missed my point. I wasnt debating if one or the other is a "spectacular" car, they are both are w/o a doubt! What I was refering to is the "wow" factor.
When see a C6 Z and say "wow".

 

"- two cars will produce completely different times in comparison to each other with the same driver on different tracks. "

Stef, I respect your perspective ("buy what you want") but I don't understand your statement above at all. You mean two identical cars as in two 991 GT3's in same day with same driver on same track? I would say there is a difference in the setup of the cars (and poor quality control maybe) or that you are an inexperienced driver if you are getting more than a couple tenths deviation in that example. I have instructed at many tracks and can get in any two stock Viper, Vette or Porsche and turn laps within tenths of the same car (if tires match etc). The difference is usually minimal and relates to setup. I have driven all the tracks you mention many times and you are really saying that the avg Porsche driver isn't capable of replicating the same line, braking thresholds etc on a technical track. That is classic amateur racing and for sure, there are a lot of amateurs racing Porsches.

So more to the point is your comment that you don't consider the GT3 a track car. That's an incredible statement, given there are 16 versions of the 911 being sold now (not counting future special models like RS, GT2, etc) and the only one with specific track capability is the GT3. Is your opinion due to the deficiencies in the current iteration of the car? Or bcz you live in a rarified world surrounded by collector race cars? (I'm not judging just sayin that your perspective of this as a DD is perhaps not the 'avg'). That is where I feel the car is 'off it's path' in modern times. The Gt3 owners I associate with want a more trackworthy and faster car like the 4.0 and run with slicks and prefer a manual. "If it adds weight and not power, leave it off" is the general sentiment that seems to have been ignored by Porsche. The orig concept of the Gt3 was to make it unique (in 911 lineup) for its track prowess. That is still the concept right? Is it just marketing now? I am well aware (before you bring it up) that Porsche has built special GT3's to answer the call of greater speed at the track, and will likely offer an RS version.

Anyway, the RSR is a race car and a 'track car' after it becomes uncompetitive on the racing circuits, to the fortunate few. The rest of us think of our ACR's Z06's as track cars...most Gt3 owners think if them as track cars. Maybe I'm wrong. I am fortunate enough to spend many of my weekends at the track so my perspective is a as a track guy. I know guys want to drive to the track and home in their track cars, but that's not really going to yield the best lap times or quality experience at the track. Its a classic HPDE experience, which has merit in its own right, but I think the GT3 should play to a higher purpose. JMO. Even Walter Rohr says 'its a fast car, but you if you do a fast lap you can't necessarily feel like its you driving fast in it..'

Enjoy the GT3..I am sure its a great toy!

 

Wow look at that. I agree with Jasper on something.........

Why is everyone complaining about cylinder deactivation? It doesn't hurt anything and unless you have been living under a rock, you know that CAFE requirements are only getting stiffer. GM is and has been ahead of the curve on that. While still kicking butt in performance. I like getting in my sports car and getting almost 30 mpg. It doesn't make you any more macho that your car only gets 10 mpg. I order to keep building high hp cars, innovation like this will be required. Doesn't mean the z06 will be any less capable of blowing the doors of of your car.