Fact is that one driver has raced competitively at LeMans and at the highest level racing category in the world and has obtained Pro-driver status whereas the other driver has never raced in any racing series and needed a tutor on his previous attempt at a timed Nurburgring lap.

Does this seem like a fair comparison?

What sticky tires are you talking about? Kislik used factory Bridgestones.

 

Done with this thread after getting negative repped for no reason, but one last thought. If the GTR truly is everything you fan boys say it is then I should be able to lap within 20 seconds of a pro driven Z06. Are we forgetting that the Z06 is a drivers car and not for the faint of heart? Are we forgetting the Z06 was on factory run crap tires and does not have the God's gift to the world AWD system?

 

Whose fanboyism growns so deep that they neg repped me and were scared to say why or leave there name?

UGGGH it is disgusting how deep some of your infatuation with a damn car, which alot of you fanboi's don't even own!

 

The Z06 was on factory run craps......just like Kislik's car. The Z06 was on factory run craps that have a total of 120mm more width than the already portly GT-R.

20 seconds sounds like a neat number but is pretty much completely unreasonable for a newbie at that track. ***** play a huge part at the Nord given the complete lack of run off and huge speeds. Most newbies are posting 9:00 laps regardless of their car so Kislik's 7:57 is damned impressive and most likely suggests that he has bigger ***** than most.

 

Well doesn't the GTR make novices drive like Lewis Hamilton, isn't the AWD system so great you can just flat foot it at the apex? If your comparing the GTR's run flats to the Z06's that tells me you don't understand the difference between them.

The GTR is an amazing car for the 10th time I have said it, but its not for everyone. For some its on the wrong side of 3500 lbs and the wrong side of driver involvement.

 

Driven the Nord a few times myself.... and if a newbie is doing 9:00 laps.. they are doing VERY well, and are in a very very fast car. A 996 Turbo is capable of about 7:56 stock, and in my friends car with 500bhp... 80bhp more than a stock non-X50 package car, we were lapping in the 8:25 region. Let me tell you that even then you are surprised the physics don't take over and kill you. You have to know every single corner, undulation, camber change, compression change, etc. etc. to get a good time on the ring, in addition to huge ***** to push the cars to the limits. Suspension, tires and brakes are most important there. Even in the Porsche, after each lap we went out for a cool down lap away from the ring.

I suggest that everyone who loves to discuss the ring, actually go and drive it themselves to really appreciate just what ANY of these times mean, and just how difficult it is to get them. Not to mention, it really is THE car Mecca. Even hanging around the parking/waiting area of the ring, or chilling on the restaurant deck, is hugely fun. Most everyone is like-minded, cool, and you make friends there pretty quickly.

Just my humble 2 cents.

 

FACT is that HvS and WR who are two of the best and most experienced drivers around drove the car and couldnt get close to Nissan's advertised time. Fact is that most if not all independent tests have clocked the GTR at 7:50's.

 

Fact is that HVS has never run a Supertest in a GDM GT-R and that WR works for a direct competitor.

Fact is nobody has hot lapped the Nurb in a GT-R in ideal conditions.

Fact is the Supertest will arrive any day now as GDM GT-R's go on sale.

 

I do agree that the numbers are essentially meaningless for us humans so the proposition that some average Joe could drop in a stock lap time within 20 seconds of Magnussen is pretty silly.

Conversely, the fact that a Nord newbie did actually post a sub 8 min lap in a GT-R, albeit a fettled one, speaks volumes for the car's capability and goes a long way to supporting Nissan's claim that the car is capable of 7:30 in the right hands.

You would understand this better than anyone else, having actually been there, and knowing what a sub 8 min lap would actually feel like for a Nord young'n.

 

How about Chris Harris and several others who have driven around the ring, all couldnt achieve Nissan's time. Supertest or not, HvS drove the car for a set number of laps and drove it hard, he was still 30 odd seconds from Nissan's time. Ideal conditions garbage, this is another excuse for Nissan fans. Whatever happened to being easy to drive fast and the anytime anywhere mantra Nissan preaches?

How do you know that the driver was an average joe? he was obviously a very good driver to drive the car as fast as the regular ring experts (although he drove a modified car). What right hands are you talking about? I would rate HvS, Alain Prost, WR...heck even Chris Harris as better driver than the once cashed up pay F1 back marker Suzuki. All these drivers have driven and compared the GTR with other supercars, all have cast doubts on the GTR's ability and fast Nur time.

 

I don't understand this. I think it goes without saying, if he didn't have a modified GT-R (I'm not sure what sticky tires you're referring to) of course he'd be slower.

But Michael Shumacher probably doesn't have as much experience as I do around VIR (3 days). So are you saying that we would get similar times because of track familiararity? If Michael drove a stock car, and I had the y-pipe and a tune? Because that would be awesome.

 

It's just rep man, you have enough positive not to worry about it. I gave you some positive rep just because. The rep thing is cool, but not to be taken too seriously.

Yes, the fanboys tend to forget that the Dunlops have actually out performed R888's in some instances. A dude running sub 8 minutes in a 500+ whp GT-R is ok, but if you watch his driving he's no noob, guy can drive. The supertest will tell a lot, but this will still be a 2010 model with better tires, suspension and power curve. Will still come up short by a lot, but still a apples to oranges comparison.

 

More tests are coming, now that Europe is getting theirs.

But for the record - I still don't give a sh*t, because I get to test them out almost everyday. And it is a lot of damn fun.

 

side note: I tried giving heavychevy pos rep for being supportive of a fellow member, but apparently it goes against the very fabric of the local security policy of GT-R owners, and I fear I would lose my warranty.

 

In my humble opinion if the people that don't own a GTR would quit blindly defending the car it would help. Unfortunately for the GTR guys that understand that the GTR is a car, albeit one with some amazing engineering solutions but a car that is bound by the laws of physics.

The people I run into that are the fanboi's most of the time don't even own the car, but spout of all of Nissan's PR speak about it. I happened to meet two really cool GTR owners in my area and they love the car and I myself gained a new appreciation for the car.

I have heard things like the age old one that both cars were on runflats. Anyone who compares Goodyear run craps with basically R compound runflats is fanboi blinded. Anyone who says Suzuki somehow finds 20 seconds a lap on a guy who forget more about AWD driving than he knows is fanboi blinded. And lastly anyone that says that the GTR for some reason can't be driven by pro drivers to within 20 seconds of Nissan's time but the difficult to drive Z06 can be....is fanboi blinded.

If you own a GTR , then props to you because you put your money where your mouth is. But do some research and look at the real facts before you go spouting off Nissan PR speak or a Ring Time that has already been proven wrong by time traces. Oh and by the way 483 hp cars don't usually get within a couple mph of 638 hp cars on the same straightaway.