What's the big deal about them beating the Ford GT, that is not a Ford team, it's a privateer. A manufacturer is supposed to beat a private team.

 

Because both teams were running the 2010 regs... Everyone else was running the 2009, right?

I thought this was the case, but I might be mistaken.

 

My post was a joke BTW....

And your right they should have used a stock GTR, it would probably place on the pole in F1!

 

No, you are correct, they are the only two running next years regs. But it's still a factory team vs privateer. In fact in FIA europe I don't think there are any factory teams other than now Nissan. If there are there aren't many.

 

Two important data points I would like to see addressed by the believers that the 7:27 GT-R was producing stock power levels in the upper gears:

1. Pobst running a 1:40.453 at Laguna Seca, comparable, and a little slower, than a GT3, Z-06, etc. That was in an actual PRODUCTION car. Motor Trend 10/08.

2. This 'Ring car will also mysteriously most likely run a 0-130mph time 1.6 SECONDS faster than the next fastest time posted by a production GT-R. That is a lifetime when comparing identical model cars. A very, very telling data point.
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...ower_times.pdf

And why exactly is the bell curve SO much higher for independent testers vs. other cars when its just "so easy" to drive at the limit?
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

 

wow, they made it official.... what is the standard testing check points used by sportauto magzine?

http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/05/14/gt...g-laptime-726/

 

Still not enough for the people in doubt. At this point in game who cares. Porsche will continue to deny any time Nissan puts out as will its followers and doubters. It is in Porsche's best interest to do so for the sake of its brand. Again to all the ring time fanatics I did not buy this car to brag about a ring time.

 

I have no doubt that it was a GTR that set the time, thats never been in question....after all I can see. If they can take a certified production car that has been dyno tested to verify its power and the ECU locked then I will believe the time.

And Kickhard, I like that....you bought the car for what it is...not for some hype about a time set on a track alot of us have never seen.

 

Yes, it has never been the time that is in doubt, it is that part about bone stock that has folks wondering.

 

even if it has 60-80 hp on it, still amazing freaking time?

 

Thanks mate, finally someone understands!!! I feel this is true with 95% of the owners also. Or let me say 95% of the mature owners.


I also see what you are saying about this car being a true production car running stock boost levels. As most people know its easy to get more power out of this car just by running a few more lbs of boost.

But again I feel that even if everything is done to verify the car is stock, running stock power levels, timed by 15 independents(media, porsche, nissan, and any others involved or not involved) haters will always find a reason to discredit its performance just for the sheer fact that they dont like it. And again Porsche will still do their swift boat style antics because they feel they have to protect its brand and performance figures. IMO porsche really doesnt have anything to worry about if and when this is proven factual. A Porsche is a special car and will always appeal to those type of people

 

Very true considering how much of a pig this car is

 

A stock standard car has been driven by several people and you cant seem to accept the fact that these standard versions were no where near Nissan's time. If Porsche was indeed just trying to protect its reputation around the ring then why wont they comment and disparage the lower priced ACR and ZR1? They one time they did comment was to give praise to the ZR1. Why is Porsche only singling out Nissan?

 

How do I know these cars driven by your several people were standard cars? They were not timed by independents not involved with the test.

You see 2 can play at that game! Why shouldnt I believe what Nissan has said. Just because you say so?

One reason I think porsche has an issue with Nissan is the way Nissan paraded around with a TT porsche everywhere it went when testing the GTR and in some way they think it hurt their rep. And most everyone knows that a Vette no matter how good it is really is not in a league of the porsche. Porsche has nothing to loose by saying good things about the Z06 and the ACR's market share and production numbers are of no worry either to porsche. Hell we dont even know in 2 years if there will be a Corvette or Viper the way US auto makers are going. Porsches Product line and heratige is something that really no other sports car maker has in the world.

They only way to solve this IMO is to let Suzuki drive a car provided by an independent that is stock. Of course Nissan should be able to test if this car is truely stock.

 

There is honestly not really a way to tell even by dyno testing if the car is bone stock. I mean there are so many tricks that could be used liked having the boost spike in 5th and 6th gears or having the alternate ecu map being remotely triggered or triggered by a series of button presses.

With a factory turbocharged car there lies a huge list of possibilites, especially for a manufacturer that is ok with lies. And if there were facts even the most skeptical would have to conceded. But the fact is numbers don't lie....