The GTR is the best thing since sliced bread, there are we done? So how about the Viper?

 

Man it will never be over as long as the GTR is on this earth. Its just like politics. Worse

 

I feel like this is the mid 90's all over again and the arguments over wether the Corvette is considered a credible sports car!

 

Ok people. Hopefully the debate will soon be over (back to back Ring testing of the 2010 model GT-R, GT-R Spec V, and the 997 GT3 Mk.2 with a driver that is definitely qualified):

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Communi...ph-in-the-fog/

So if anyone already has access to the July issue of CAR Magazine.... lets hear about it!!!

 

I think we can all agree that with these results, we should be able to lay this to rest. Yes some will argue that each of the manufacturers own drivers can ring out more of the cars that they have helped develop, but this test will show what an unbiased 24 hour Nurburgring driver can do with both cars without having had loads of hours logged behind any of their steering wheels. Though I really like Chris Harris, I think this driver is more qualified. Lets hope the conditions were good!

 

Here are a couple of cool videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV0pe...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E93ag...eature=channel

This is still the best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAnMFhFMWAY

If I posted too many videos, and its annoying to anyone, I can remove them.

Cheers.

 

Those vids are awesome. I would've paid to see a passenger's reaction.

 

I still say it isn't making anywhere close to stock power levels, especially in the upper gear and Nissan isn't claiming it is either. Regardless, it is a fabulous performer at 485hp or 600hp...

 

You really need to take the trip to the Nordschleife if you haven't yet.

There is a company called European Speedclub that have courses a few time a year with GT3's. The only thing is that I believe they only use the F1 track, and don't include the Northern Loop.

There are a few programs on the Northern Loop but you have to provide your own car. BMW and Mercedes may have them with their own cars though.

Sooooooooooo worth it!!!

 

The leading Lambo and GT2 were indeed faster, they just didnt finish the race due to a mishap. If you want to play it that way then the GT2 in last years race along with the Honda and Toyota's were able to beat a GTR that crashed.

 

The GTR would have been making far more power than stock if it was able to go more than 11mph faster than a showroom stock version (and keep up with the ZR1).

By claiming that the record setting GTR is a stock standard car then Nissan is also claiming that the test car had stock power.

 

Yes and no. It can also depend on the speeds at the corners. The Dottinger Hohe speed will also rely on how the driver tackled the last few corners prior to the straight. Not saying the car did or didn't have any more power, but what I have just mentioned must also be taken into consideration.

The Ferrari Enzo has about 54 more bhp/ton than a ZR1, AND has a paddle shift gearbox, yet is only about 1 second faster around the Ring. The Zonda F CS has just about 100 bhp/ton more than the ZR1, yet is just under 2 seconds quicker around the Ring.

Maybe the ZR1's lap time should also be questioned. Can Chevrolet really build a car for ~$114k that handles as well as Italian Supercars that cost almost 10 times as much?

Seems to be like the same problem Nissan is having with Porsche, only to a much greater extent. Hmmmm...

 

Who supplied these guys with the 2010 and V-Spec GTR I didnt even know the V-Spec was already on sale. Also, why are they comparing the GTR to the GT3, shouldn't they be comparing it to the ZR1, Enzo and CGT?

 

$114k is loaded, and they start around $100k and the answer is yes....there is also another car ...which may or may not be American that is cheaper and a tiny bit quicker around the " Ring ". GM has never made a big ballyhoo about " Ring " times and/ or lied about it in the past.

 

I just want to be clear that I am not fighting with anyone. I love all cars. Vettes, GT-Rs, 911's, etc., and personal taste would have me taking a GT3 for a backroad drive any day over the GT-R, but we all need to be more objective rather than so subjective.

The arguments are sooooo moot. All of them are fast. Whatever makes you smile the most is what you should buy. The Ring times are also rather pointless as most of us will not even come close.... and you know what? It doesn't even matter. Those of you who have been there will understand what I am talking about. Its the comraderie, the feeling of pushing your car through the turns, elevation changes, etc. knowing that you are a part of the legend is all that counts. You make friends who are just like you (with regards to the cars), and feel like you are on top of the world. Thats what all these cars are meant to do. Not all this bickering crap, over statistics.

When the economy picks up (hopefully by next year), maybe the next topic should be organizing a group to go have fun at the Ring together. Trust me when I say all this animosity and banter will go out the window.