base gt-r 7:27 @ 'ring (on spec-v wheels)
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Oh fun! Nissan seems to be trying very very hard NOT to sell cars to enthusiasts:
http://jalopnik.com/5201918/2010-gt+...black-box-data
http://jalopnik.com/5201918/2010-gt+...black-box-data
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Thank you for that! Do you know what the time was for the Spec V? Can you get more information?
Well, there you go people. 2 seconds difference between the two, towards the Porsche. And using the same unbiased driver, same conditions (I would assume), etc. etc.
I have no problem saying that Nissan has some explaining to do. I can't imagine that Spec V wheels and tires accounted for 24 seconds.
Wonder when there will be info on the Sport Auto Supertest with Saurma.
After these results, I think this debate is now a dead issue.
Cheers.
Well, there you go people. 2 seconds difference between the two, towards the Porsche. And using the same unbiased driver, same conditions (I would assume), etc. etc.
I have no problem saying that Nissan has some explaining to do. I can't imagine that Spec V wheels and tires accounted for 24 seconds.
Wonder when there will be info on the Sport Auto Supertest with Saurma.
After these results, I think this debate is now a dead issue.
Cheers.
GT-R thread on M3 Board
p.s. I post as "Garissimo" there. That name and my handle here are the same 2 goofy aliases I use on most of the forums.
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Look through the web Nissan's upper management, engineers and even drivers has vehemently maintained that the record setting GTR was stock standard. I dont know about you but a difference of around 30 seconds around the ring isnt just minor tweaks, thats a whole lot of extra power going to the weels and some other supporting performance goodies.
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They will keep using driver, tires and weather condition as an excuse. My bet is that they will even bag and question top ring professional race car drivers
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Just go through the links manually, there are several related stories.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/
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Yes, I know what magnetic shocks are. And variable shock fluid viscosity will play hell with spring rates and there is only so much adjustment the stock suspension will allow for alignment settings.
The ACR is still on street-legal tires and the point being is it unquestionably a better handling car than the ZR-1. There are far, far too many dynamics to simply state the tires are the sole reason for multiple steering inputs vs. the ACR.
Even with track day variance that is a lifetime vs. a 7:27 in an AWD car with a DCT and various other driver aids.
There are a LOT of two seaters you can say the same about. And very few Veyrons go on "road trips" anyway.
The same thing tens of thousands of 10sec and 11sec cars and bikes do everyday - go WOT wherever appropriate. And the AWD just makes it that much easier...
Not much tuning could be done? Do you even know what magnetic shocks are? There are still spring rates, and the whole spectrum of suspension bits.
The ZR-1 is also driving on PS2's with rwd and 630 hp, a little correction is always going to be needed in those conditions. Whereas the Dunlops on the GT-R have proven to be even faster than R888's in several instances, and it's also underpowered and AWD so there won't be much correction. And the ACR is on Sport Cups which are also R-comps and has a ton of DF. Even still, put them on street tires and watch the sawing begin.
Here is something to think about... I know two people (one of whom is a first cousin), who were really thinking of pulling the trigger on Veyrons. One is here in the US and the other in Europe. Do you know what the main reason is they didn't? They couldn't do road trips in the cars.
Here in the US... what the hell will you do with it?
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I don't plan on trying to defend the GT-R in any way anymore. It is what it is. I still like it, and think its very capable, but I just can't believe the lap times posted by Nissan anymore.
Deuuuce- Regarding your response to the Veyron, look how many are available for sale around the world with low mileage. Seeing that they will only make 300 Coupes. Of those coupes they created the special edition models (Pur Sang (5), Sang Noir (15), Centenaire (4), Hermes (you can order them specially)). So Bugatti are really trying to move all of them along. People get over having the cars quickly because you can't do much with it. I know that the people I have referred to, would prefer to be able to do more for the better part of $2MM (or more with special edition models), than to just floor the car a few times. Those 10 second cars you mention, belong to people who like to prove they have 10 second cars, and usually go to the drag strip. You are talking about cars that are at most in the couple of hundred thousand dollar range, not million plus dollar supercars. Difference in mentality.
Deuuuce- Regarding your response to the Veyron, look how many are available for sale around the world with low mileage. Seeing that they will only make 300 Coupes. Of those coupes they created the special edition models (Pur Sang (5), Sang Noir (15), Centenaire (4), Hermes (you can order them specially)). So Bugatti are really trying to move all of them along. People get over having the cars quickly because you can't do much with it. I know that the people I have referred to, would prefer to be able to do more for the better part of $2MM (or more with special edition models), than to just floor the car a few times. Those 10 second cars you mention, belong to people who like to prove they have 10 second cars, and usually go to the drag strip. You are talking about cars that are at most in the couple of hundred thousand dollar range, not million plus dollar supercars. Difference in mentality.
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No I think the real question is When will you and other GTR Haters either accept that it is not running the fabled time or is and just drop it. I have and so have others. AGAIN I DID NOT BUY MY GTR TO RUN AROUND THE RING OR BECAUSE OF ITS RING TIMES. The better indicator of its speed for me was the 1/4 times posted which are in line with other test.
This really is getting old wether the times are real or not!!
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No I think the real question is When will you and other GTR Haters either accept that it is not running the fabled time or is and just drop it. I have and so have others. AGAIN I DID NOT BUY MY GTR TO RUN AROUND THE RING OR BECAUSE OF ITS RING TIMES. The better indicator of its speed for me was the 1/4 times posted which are in line with other test.
This really is getting old wether the times are real or not!!
This really is getting old wether the times are real or not!!
We have already accepted the fact that a stock Nissan GTR will never run the fabled Nurburgring time. For me anyway im just trying to spread this fact to everyone that might not know Nissan's cheating ways.
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Fun video (pay attention to the lap times in the end):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovyww_LFoIs
Gotta love RSD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ovyww_LFoIs
Gotta love RSD.
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Nissan more than anyone has all its credibilty to lose if these times are not of a stock car and I am sure everyone in the world will make a mockery of them if and when this is done.
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Deuuuce- Regarding your response to the Veyron, look how many are available for sale around the world with low mileage. Seeing that they will only make 300 Coupes. Of those coupes they created the special edition models (Pur Sang (5), Sang Noir (15), Centenaire (4), Hermes (you can order them specially)). So Bugatti are really trying to move all of them along. People get over having the cars quickly because you can't do much with it. I know that the people I have referred to, would prefer to be able to do more for the better part of $2MM (or more with special edition models), than to just floor the car a few times. Those 10 second cars you mention, belong to people who like to prove they have 10 second cars, and usually go to the drag strip. You are talking about cars that are at most in the couple of hundred thousand dollar range, not million plus dollar supercars. Difference in mentality.
In otherwords, road-trip worthiness isn't the real reason the car is for sale or being "dumped"....