base gt-r 7:27 @ 'ring (on spec-v wheels)
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You also forgot to mention that the Ace driver had NEVER driven a GTR before and he only had ONE(1) lap to do that time in. The steering wheel was on the wrong side to what he was comfortable with as well. On the contrary, he's very use to driving Porsches and had TWO(2) laps in the GT3.
So what about the 7:38 by HVS? How do you explain that?
So what about the 7:38 by HVS? How do you explain that?
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I can guarantee that someone who's never fired a patriot before - pro or not, would never be able to pick up my gun and shoot it as well as me first go
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Sometimes driver skills beats time and knowledge of the vehicle/sport. Case in point Mark Webber v Lewis Hamilton
Mark Webber
Races: 129
Championships: 0
Wins: 0
Podiums: 4
Lewis Hamilton
Races: 41
Championships: 1
Wins: 9
Podiums: 42
No driver in the world PRO or not, will be able to duplicate his times with just a handful of laps - let alone just ONE lap.
Its not because of the driver its because Suzuki used a ringer.
Federer can serve the ball at 125mph with his custom made racquet. I pick up his racquet and can only manage 100mph. Does that make Federer a cheat?
Tiger Woods can drive the ball 350yards with his custom driver. I pick it up and can only manage 200yards. Does that make Tiger Woods a cheat? Get the picture?
Tiger Woods can drive the ball 350yards with his custom driver. I pick it up and can only manage 200yards. Does that make Tiger Woods a cheat? Get the picture?
Even the winning GTR drivers of the Targa rallys in Australia are still trying to get use to the GTR. And Quinn, who is a pro, has been driving Porsches in the rallys for the past 11 years.
Too bad the two previous leading cars in the Porsche GT2 and Lambo crashed, handing the GTR the win. Jim Richards crashed after unexpectedly hitting some mud/debris in the middle of a turn.
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I'll explain that 7:38 is still 12 seconds behind Nissan's claimed 7:26 and this is with a Nissan provided car.
And you are completely wrong, a pro driver CAN get in a street car and drive at the limit right away. The difficulty level in piloting a street car does not compare to a race car. Especially an AWD with tons of electronics and paddle shifters.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
And you are completely wrong, a pro driver CAN get in a street car and drive at the limit right away. The difficulty level in piloting a street car does not compare to a race car. Especially an AWD with tons of electronics and paddle shifters.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
I agree!!!!!!!
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Less than a full degree of camber.
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7:38 is 12 sec behind Nissan's claim, but MORE importantly, it is 16 seconds faster than Porsche's claim for the GTR!
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7:38 is 12 sec behind Nissan's claim, but MORE importantly, it is 16 seconds faster than Porsche's claim for the GTR!
With a "Nissan provided car"? So Now the result from SportAuto for the GTR is not credible because the car given to them was provided by Nissan?
So does that mean that the 7:54 that HVS got for the turbo is implausible also because Porsche provided SportAuto with the car? You are saying that the 7:54 was done by a 'ringer'? In fact you are saying that all the times that HVS got with the GT2, GT3, turbo, Z06 etc are done with.... 'ringers'? You've just shot yourself in the foot mate.
With a "Nissan provided car"? So Now the result from SportAuto for the GTR is not credible because the car given to them was provided by Nissan?
So does that mean that the 7:54 that HVS got for the turbo is implausible also because Porsche provided SportAuto with the car? You are saying that the 7:54 was done by a 'ringer'? In fact you are saying that all the times that HVS got with the GT2, GT3, turbo, Z06 etc are done with.... 'ringers'? You've just shot yourself in the foot mate.
#1 Porsche tested a US Spec GT-R vs the Euro GT-R for Horst
#2 Porsche tested on Bridgestones compared to Dunlops
Take the 8 seconds difference Nissan claims for the Dunlops over the Bridgestones and the 3 seconds from the US Spec to the Euro Spec and that's 11 seconds. Only 5 seconds difference to Horst.
Oh and did I mention Porsche got a car from the dealer and not from Nissan.....
You need to practice shooting that gun a little more so you don't hit your feet.
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Why must all cars be ringers? Because Nissan has been caught in several lies before? I don't see your logic. I didn't see the 993 Turbo, or C4 Corvette claiming 7:59 at the ring and then several pro drivers only getting 8:30's. I didn't see Ford or Dodge or BMW claiming a 10.1 sec 1/4 mile with a 500 hp car either.
I also don't see videos of said cars running the same time over the long back straight as cars WAY faster. Or running 11 mph faster than a production car on the same straight.
What is your point?
I also don't see videos of said cars running the same time over the long back straight as cars WAY faster. Or running 11 mph faster than a production car on the same straight.
What is your point?
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So you would say that the 7:38 time is a ringer also? Did you compare the mph on the straights with the other times?
What about Car Magazine's test of the new GT3 getting about 14 seconds slower around the track than Rohl? Did Porsche give him a ringer. See, this could go on and on and never end, which it won't.
What about Car Magazine's test of the new GT3 getting about 14 seconds slower around the track than Rohl? Did Porsche give him a ringer. See, this could go on and on and never end, which it won't.
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So you would say that the 7:38 time is a ringer also? Did you compare the mph on the straights with the other times?
What about Car Magazine's test of the new GT3 getting about 14 seconds slower around the track than Rohl? Did Porsche give him a ringer. See, this could go on and on and never end, which it won't.
What about Car Magazine's test of the new GT3 getting about 14 seconds slower around the track than Rohl? Did Porsche give him a ringer. See, this could go on and on and never end, which it won't.
I haven't heard of the test you speak of. I do know that head to head the GT3 ran 7:49 which isn't 14 seconds slower. In fact if I'm not mistaken Sport Auto ran the exact same time in the GT3 as Porsches claim.
You try to make a ringer out of a GT3 then report back, there isn't much you can do to it. But I wouldnt expect someone who obviously doesn't know much about what they are talking about to know that. You are trying too hard, give it a rest, you don't have any evidence to support your claim and I have a plenty.
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In searching for a review about the GT3 time, I found a time of Walter Rohrl lapping the 'Ring in 7:45 in 430 Scuderia.
Nevermind. The target has been overshot. They were targeting the 911turbo, but instead bested the 430 Scuderia.
I mean, if Rohrl can't do it, then it can't be done right?
Nevermind. The target has been overshot. They were targeting the 911turbo, but instead bested the 430 Scuderia.
I mean, if Rohrl can't do it, then it can't be done right?
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I haven't heard of the test you speak of. I do know that head to head the GT3 ran 7:49 which isn't 14 seconds slower. In fact if I'm not mistaken Sport Auto ran the exact same time in the GT3 as Porsches claim.
You try to make a ringer out of a GT3 then report back, there isn't much you can do to it. But I wouldnt expect someone who obviously doesn't know much about what they are talking about to know that. You are trying too hard, give it a rest, you don't have any evidence to support your claim and I have a plenty.
You try to make a ringer out of a GT3 then report back, there isn't much you can do to it. But I wouldnt expect someone who obviously doesn't know much about what they are talking about to know that. You are trying too hard, give it a rest, you don't have any evidence to support your claim and I have a plenty.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-lap-time.html
But I'm sure they got a ringer car also.
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Of course not. Rohrl drives for Porsche, so he has to be THE BEST driver. His knowledge and skill on the 'ring' is unmatched. I heard that he is so good that he only needs one lap in any car to extract it's full potential. Any more, and you're just wasting time, energy and fuel.
Hang on a minute. Didn't HVS get 7:39 for the Scuderia? No way!
Ferrari must've given SportsAuto a 'ringer' for sure!!
Hang on a minute. Didn't HVS get 7:39 for the Scuderia? No way!
Ferrari must've given SportsAuto a 'ringer' for sure!!
I no longer trust Ferrari... They suck as a company, and I'll never buy a 430 Scuderia. The car is "ok" for the money, but why did they cheat on the 'Ring?
Cheaters!!!!
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Another one of those 800hp RingerZ took a **** on the new R8 V10 and 997 turbo in the leading German automobile magazine "Auto Bild".
(Contidrome Handling Track)
1. GT-R : 1:30.95
2. Turbo: 1:31.75
3. R8 V10: 1:32.11
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vergl...10_907277.html
(Contidrome Handling Track)
1. GT-R : 1:30.95
2. Turbo: 1:31.75
3. R8 V10: 1:32.11
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vergl...10_907277.html