Add a CGT, ZR-1, and GT2 and you're on to something, but that has no relevance to Nissans' ring claim.


No, I'm glad you brought that up though.

Nissan ran 7:27.x on the spec v wheels which are lighter and upgraded Dunlops from the Spec-V, then they go back to the standard wheels and run even faster. That is Nissan math for ya.

 

Why do you say that Ferrari cheated? Its time is correct, it has roughly the same power and the Corvette, GTR and Turbo. It is lighter but we all know that ferrari measures their cars dry as well as lacking in torque. Ferrari didnt advertise an extreemly fast time and under deliver, heck they didnt even take part in the Nurburgring manufacturer battle.



7.39 --- 161.58 km/h - Ferrari 430 Scuderia, 510 PS/1402 kg (sport auto 07/08)
7:45* -- 159.48 km/h - Ferrari F430 SC, *Porsche company test driver Walter Roehrl

The difference is roughly 6 seconds, this is far less than Nissan v Sport Auto

As for Dirk Schoysman he was alsothe fastest driver in the R33 whilst testing for Nissan, yet even he couldnt get to within 30 seconds when he tested a privately owned stock GTR.

The Lambo maybe but the GT2 wasnt over cooked, it simply hit a surface with debris in the middle of a turn. Its like unexpectedly hitting oil or water, theres nothing a driver can do and it's not the drivers fault, its just racing incedent.

 

I don't think anyone has stated that Walter is extracting the max out of any of the other manufacturers cars he testing. In fact the 7:54 you guys keep harping about WASN'T EVEN DRIVEN BY WALTER!!!!!!

But even the guy that did drive is not 26 seconds off the pace along with everyone else between that and 20 seconds. And Walter is still not 20 seconds off the pace of the Scud.

 

Hooray for more internet GT-R publicity! No wonder I get reactions from people all day long.

That said, I still laugh to think a C6 Z06 did 7:42 on runflats with Magnussen driving two years or more years ago. I just think it's awesome that all these cars can lap the 'Ring around the same times and they differ SO much in price range. I mean I just sold my Z06 for mid 40s with 20k on the odo and then an F430 Scuderia is only a few seconds faster? HA

 

What does that have to do with him being a great driver on the Nurburgring?

Come on Monarocountry. Everyone is cheating on the ring. Every GTR fan here knows that you only have one thing to contribute:

The GTR Cheated, the GTR cheated, Nissan is lying, the sky is falling.. oops, taking that too far.

GTR is beating other supercars on the track. Why couldn't it beat them handily on the Nurburgring? Just follows suit.

 

How odd that Nissan's times are so fast when its a factory supplied car. Start a poll and see who REALLY believes the factory Nissans were making stock power levels. The times are so much faster than everyone else driving showroom floor production models it's laughable:

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

 

No not everyone cheats around the Nurburgring and not everyone cheats so blatantly quite like Nissan. Its unquestionable that Dirk Schoysman is a good Nurburgring driver, maybe not up there with the top but definately a good one. Autocar was present during the initial tests in which Dirk broke the magical 8 minute barrier in a 270hp Nissan GTR R33. Autocar tried to verify the times by testing a stock GTR along with the same driver. The best Dirk could come up with was a ~8:30.

Tell me has a stock GTR been able to beat an Enzo's, Zonda's, ACR's or ZR1's? We know that a GTR can beat and be beaten by a ZO6, Turbo and GT3.

 

Even the GTR owners said the car should not be compared to the ZR1, ACR, CGT and Zonda. But Nissan's lies say that yes its as fast as these cars are around the " Ring ". Those of you that don't understand cheating don't understand racing, its not uncommon. However even GM who has been known to deliver a " ringer " in the past held sacred and posted real " Ring " times.

 

I already understood your point on the R33 from earlier. Also, NO GTR ever had 270hp. That's been well documented. I think you know about the Gentleman's agreement on HP in Japan during that time..... All I was stating was that Dirk was a good Nurburgring driver. That is it. I'm not saying he is the best or anything, but who would you consider "the top?" I don't personally know of anyone that has done more laps. Let's not make everything a GTR bashing session.

The GTR is at it's best around long sweeping high speed corners, like the Nurburgring. Just because it doesn't boast 650 hp doesn't mean that it can't beat higher hp cars. Technology does improve things, believe it or not.

 

I don't think "honest" is the word I would have chosen. (And I'm not even referring to the performance numbers.)

The price of the 911 turbo will not drop...in fact, it will go up...just like the GT3...just like the Cayman S...and the facelifted Carreras. Very few sales are lost to Nissan even though the GT-R is in the same segment. While there are some cross-shoppers, it does not amount to a significant sales loss.

 

I dont think the desirability of a Porsche, Ferrari or a Lambo will change. These cars are still works of art that is potent on the street and on a race track, they also have a great and proud history. Most people wouldnt know a GTR, the majority would consider the car is just another done up 370Z.

Youre actually looking at Nissan for honesty? Its easy to be competitive with Enzo's, Zonda's, ACR's and ZR1, all you have to do is follow Nissans lead and use a ringer.

 

The gentlemen's agreement hahah you make it sound like those R33's run around with 550hp's in order to do the 7:59. There are some variance but you would be lucky to see a 30hp difference between the 270hp and a production model. Also, I have seen stock R33 GTR's dyno on or below 270.

 

Not the majority... A pretty small minority, from what I've seen... A smaller percentage of people that would be able to differentiate between a 3-series and an M3, as well as a Carrera 2 and a Turbo.

And are you trying to say that if I get a Nismo tuned ECM (that adds a couple lbs of boost), that's it's easy to compete with $1million+ cars?

Not bad for $83k ($80 for the car and $3k for the tune).

^ That statement is even giving into to your theory that the 'ringer' has more hp.

 

I agree. When the GTR was compared to the ZR1 by Motortrend, GTR fan boys started sprouting about how it was an unfair to compare their car to a 600+hp lightweight supercar and should instead be compared with the Porsche Turbo. So why cant we compare the two? according to Nissan's tests, the GTR should be able to match if not beat the ZR1's time on any tracks.

 

[quote=jaspergtr;2414092]Not the majority... A pretty small minority, from what I've seen... A smaller percentage of people that would be able to differentiate between a 3-series and an M3, as well as a Carrera 2 and a Turbo.

I actually saw my first GTR, in Ruidoso, this week, I had to look twice to make sure it was one. It didn't look any more special than a Honda civic si. In saying that, I really like the si, I bought one for my son. I was suprised how big it was in person and it does look very conventional. In my opinion it looks better in the pictures.