Apparently Nissan is well aware of the virtues of lightweight RWD cars with V8's .....can anyone tell me why?

 

I have alot of respect for well prepped Vettes. (See my buddies, Atomic Z)
What track and what times are you referring to (where you picked up
5 seconds per lap?

Best,

MK

 

Charlie, they won't understand.... I think it's pointless to explain....

 

There are people that like to wait to apply the throttle...

They call it "fun."

Although what you said is exactly true, people here think that all AWD cars are the same. They've never driven the car. You can't drive it like any other car, because it doesn't use the same driveline as any other.

This is where the GT-R gains speed and sheds time earlier than other cars... You can apply throttle so much earlier. If you don't drive it, you'll never understand it. I'm still getting used to it.

 

I don't own one, but from the countless reviews I've read and watched online, this is the common reason why the GTR defies "normal" car physics. This is why it can overcome the weight it has to deal with. But I'm told I'm foolish to believe car reviews on the GTR.

Charlie owns one. Jaspergtr also does. I'll believe someone that has actually put his foot down on the GTR's throttle than someone else that hasn't.

 

Are there any other sport cars AWD computers which compensate for over steer Mid-corner under heavy throttle?

If this "feature" is exclusive to the GTR's driving dynamics, then why would people (monaroCounty, HeavyChevy) expect the car to behave just like any other sports cars on the tack with the only difference between them being based on weight and how much horsepower they have.

Why?

 

The GTR clearly doesnt behave like a Porsche or a Porsche behave like a Corvette or a Corvette to a Ferrari.

The point is that the perfomance figures reached by the GTR is so far infront of those tested by private individuals and professional drivers around the ring. In one test you have the Porsche GT3 being able to beat the GTR (Carmagazine) while Nissan's runs suggest that it can take on much much faster exotics like an Enzo or a Zonda. The same goes with the GTR's top speed around the ring, in the Nissan test it kept up with the ZR1 while stock items cant even keep up with stock ZO6. There are clear annomalies with the GTR that's very hard to explain and very hard to ignore.

 

Porsche could only achieve a 7:54 and HvS managed a 7:38 in a GTR and considering that you have to drive the GTR different from any other car to make its AWD work for you, you can never be sure comparing different times from different drivers. Everyone drives different.

I don’t know if anyone has ever said this but does it matter if the GTR was a ringer or not? The car itself is capable of 7:20's. In that respect whatever Nissan had out there on the Ring' WAS A SUPERCAR of the highest order. Whether the pads were different or the boost was turned up (Not saying that was the case). It was a GTR.
It then is obviously a supercar platform. So with that, when you say Lamborghini, Ferrari, Porsche, you must also say Datsun.

Simple and plain.

 

ZZZZZZ......Maybe because it's carrying more speed out of the corners.

 

Hmmm, a negative rep point by someone who speculated that Pobst had a vested interest in "not" going fast in the GT-R. Gee, I wonder who did that? I hope I can sleep tonight!

If you read the article, it was a test of various cars on the same day.

Sure a GT-R can run with a Z-06, I wouldn't deny that. But the ACR ate it's lunch on a 2.23 mile course and the Z-06, GT3 and GT-R are within statisical variance.

I think Pobst, more than most top professional paved-circuit race car drivers, knows how to drive an AWD car on a track. Just ask Audi and K-Pax racing...

 

There are many cars that can do this.

EVO has active AWD with yaw control and a variable alphabet sup of controls. It has a electonic center differential to help control.

Ferrari F430: while it's only RWD it drive by the wire throttle and an electronic differential to split the torque between the right and left sides.

Porsche 956: it's old, but it had electronic differentials that actively split torque. Every Porsche model has PSM that will control the attitude of the car through the corner

C5 and C6 corvettes: they have yaw sensors and can apply braking to individual wheels to control the attitude of the car through the turns. Vettes also have drive by the wire throttle control to prevent driver error from spinning the car.

Porsches and Corvette allow you to turn all the controls except ABS off.

I personally think that the Software on the GT-R's AWD and stability management is much better than the other makes. Also they come with a much more agresive tire than most of the other cars it's compared to (except GT3 or ACR). It also comes with great massive brakes and aggressive pads.

I heard that when you buy a GT-R you have an choice between a street or track alignment. Is this true?? It took me a really long time to figure out my track alignment. That alone (if true) would drop some big time.

 

Buttonwillow raceway is where I pick up the most time, that is what I listed. I dropped a ton of time at the ROVAL (Cal Speedway) I dont remeber my original time, but on the R888s I run a 1:58.

I expect to drop another chunk of time this month due to switching to w 275 front tire to help turn in and mid turn balance.

 

Just because Pobst has driven AWD cars for Audi does not mean he is privy to the AWD dynamics of the GTR. Not all AWD cars work the same. AWD systems are computer controlled (in this case) and the software written by different companies......in a different chassis....with different differentials‘.....on different tires and shocks.

So many variables that you cannot just say "Pobst has driven AWD cars before".

So What?

 

I'm so sick of this garbage. What about the other 3 or so forgotten PRO drivers who had hundreds of laps on the ring? Were they not faxed the mystical GT-R driving technique, did they not meditate on it day and night as well?

AWD cars do not work the same, hardly any of them use the same driveline from one car to the next. Randy is one of the best I've seen at finding the limit of a particular car, which is not all that hard. If you look at Toshio driving, his technique isn't different from ANY OTHER PRO DRIVER OUT THERE. Smoth lines, late apexing etc etc.

If you don't think any other pro couldn't get in and do that in a jiffy you're smoking. PERIOD!!!!!

 

I'll explain that 7:38 is still 12 seconds behind Nissan's claimed 7:26 and this is with a Nissan provided car.

And you are completely wrong, a pro driver CAN get in a street car and drive at the limit right away. The difficulty level in piloting a street car does not compare to a race car. Especially an AWD with tons of electronics and paddle shifters.

You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.