Charlie do you own a GTR? I am realy surprised your rep isn't in the red with your obvious and blatant fanboi bleatings about the greatest 4 seat GT car in the universe.

 

I recognize the writing of someone thats been banned and reincarnated.

 

This thread isn't about wether I think the GTR drives well, because I have already said its an amazing car. This thread is about the GTR being good enough to match cars like the ZR1, CGT and ACR. As I said before the GTR isn't a religion...keep the propaganda to yourself..I believe in RWD and lightweight..

 

What exactly are you bringing to this thread, anyone can google and spout off all the things you just said. Since the GTR is so good maybe you should tell us your " real world " experience slapping around ZR1's, ACR's, 997 TT's, and Z06's at the track?

I have seen the time traces, and I know the math involved as well as knowing Nissan's history. Some random guy with 23 posts and an always not telling the truth Nissan isn't going to change my mind or the numbers for that matter.

 

Still drinking the Kool-Aid, huh Charlie !!!

When both Porsche and reputable automobile magazines went on
record questioning the lap times reported by Nissan...

Nissan's creditbility went down like our 401'K's.

Why Nissan overhyped their four passenger coupe... implying that the GT-R was in the same class as true high performance Sportscars is hard to understand.

The numbers simply don't work...an ~ 480 hp/~3900 lb. sled won't produce the fabled ~7:2x.xx ring times.

Sooooo.... Nissan ran a "RINGER"... which was easy to do by increasing the boost on a tubrocharged motor.

Now that others have "tested" a truly stock GT-R... their results show that the car simply doesn't live up to it's hype. Add in the reliability and warranty issues with the GT-R, and Nissan will have a hard time trying to buff out their tarnished reputation.

Nissan does... of course, have a Honorable way out,

other than choosing to blame the mechanical failures on their American consumers !!!

 

Sure:
Autobahn: Lost by 5 seconds
Talledega: Lost by 1 second
Sebring #1: Lost by 9 seconds
Sebring #2: Lost by 7 seconds
Daytona: Lost by 1 second
BeaveRun#1: Lost by 6 seconds
Beave Run#2: Lost by 3 seconds
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...s.shtml?y=2009

So obviously the overall standing doesn't reflect the car itself, does it? And looking at the entrant cars and results, a lot of it has to do with the drivers.

In fact, these drag race results are quite telling as far as the drivers in some cases and the power output in others:
http://www.onelapofamerica.com/histo...=2009&res=EV09

So again, other than the Targa and the obviously flawed example of the One Lap, what other sanctioned events is it winning?? I mean, isn't the Targa on public roads? The GT-R is one of the obvious choices too, I would imagine.

 

The Nissan GTR that set the fast lap was provided to them by Nissan, the car was shipped directly from Japan after Top Gear crashed its own private car. Too bad TG didnt put the ringer on a Dyno to determine the power before testing the thing.

The pit straight is not worth 4 seconds, its only about a second or so to cover the whole length.

As for the Car Magazine driver, this guy is from Zakspeed another in their rank set the 7:22 ACR time with just 4 laps in total. The Zakspeed driver who drove the GTR has also been recorded as saying that 99% of his lap and lines were perfect.

 

And the 7:42 Z06 time was set by Jan Magnussen....who is not a ring veteran and it was a car with the very skittish rear end suspension the earlier cars had. So there is quite a bit more left in that 7:42 that was done in only a few laps. Especially with the much revised, and much better suspension settings and different shocks for 07 and newer cars.


I mean for no reason other than Nissan lies a car that isn't on the performance level of the ZR1, ACR, or CGT is being compared to those cars. And according to Nissan its 3800 lb 485 hp car is so immune to the laws of physics. That it takes the 600, 605, and 638 hp opposition that weighs 3450 at the heaviest and is within 5 seconds of them on a fast track!

Charlie I know how good the GTR is, I also know the reasons for buying them. My point is let the car talk for itself, obviously your insecure about the performance of your car to spend so much time battling about it. I don't care what someone on the internet thinks of my car...I didn't buy the car for there approval or yours.

Also lets face it if you want to bring up one facet of the GTR's performance advantage. Let us talk about the people that don't drive on the Nurburgring every day on the way to work, or the Nordelschleife. The Z06 makes a mockery of the GTR in the main skirmish your likely to run across in day to day driving.

 

You are making some common sense unlike some of the others here. I for one dont understand the comparisons to the CGT, enzo, GT2-GT3 as these cars are truely more performance than the GTR. I think that these comparisons were a bit on the dreamy side, kinda like the david and goliath. The GTR should not be compared to cars that clearly have way more power (600hp) like you mentioned. Its only common sense that these cars are faster

Wether or not the GTR is a ring smashing 7:27 or not it desersves to be reckoned with and respected for what it already has achieved. I dont know of any other car with its weight (3800lbs +) that achieves these performance figures(0-60) with only 480hp except for maybe a Buggati. So there is something to this cars engineering to get it this fast.

Even if it is performing the ring time close to or behind the 997tt,GT2-GT3 it is still fast. For the limited number of events this car has been in it has done quite well also

I agree let the car speak for itself.

 

Nissans warranty print really doesnt read any different than other car makers. Nissan just really went about it wrong here and I think got caught up with all the hype from everyone like the magazines and went along for the ride. No car maker is going to tell you in print its ok to take your car to the race track of any kind and when it breaks its ok we will fix it. Car makers have to draw the line somewhere.

Reliability issues I dont understand where you coming from on that one? This car already has proven to be reliable just like any other japanese car. I dont know of any cars that have just quit and left their owners stranded from mechanical failure or have sat in the shop for weeks, months either. We have not seen electical gremlins or mechanical gremlins on stock cars either. Mine has not had any issues and seems to be rock solid like the lexus i have.

The mechanical failures that you say nissan has blamed on its american consumers was truely wrong and I agree with that statement. But it is true that some owners did in fact abuse their car before the break in period without a doubt and their are some that didnt. Fact is the number is very small and has been overblown like most things that are on the internet.

 

Kickhard your a breath of fresh air about the realities of the GTR. It's performance is in fact amazing for its weight and power/ weight ratio. It doesn't need the hype from the lies surrounding the ring times. In fact for the GTR to be vying for the title for bang for the buck champion against the Z06 speaks volumes of how impressed I am with the cars performance.

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Are you for real? Giving me single time trials from the OneLap where the GTR lost but at the end, ended up being the winner overall??? That's like saying, uhhh you're car bet mine in the quarter, but my car is faster because it bet yours from 0-20.
Or...your car lap the 'ring' 30 sec faster than mine, but mine is faster than yours because it went around the carousel 2mp/h faster than yours.
We need to redefine the definition of 'desperation' here.. [quote]

Hmm is that the same thing you did when you talked about the one facet of the GTR's performance that makes it an alleged giant killer? And ignored the facts about other facets of the GTR's performance that leave it behind the competition?

 

You just shot yourself in the foot, big time.

You asked for data for track events where it has been beat and I gave you cold, hard facts of the car being beat. And at Sebring, beat badly.

You asked for one EVENT. Not an overall SERIES standing. I gave you SEVEN events. Now YOU give us some other events where it has won...

 

Come on Charlie, 7 events it wasn't the fastest. The Targa is on public roads? Save face and give some other examples on the track where it finished first....

 

Ok again what is the subject of this thread, the Targa is really irrelevant at this point. Charlie face it you have made a mockery of yourself, the GTR and fellow GTR owners...

 

Precisely what do you think the Targa Tasmania is? Some kind of Sunday drive where people sit around eating cheese and *******s? This isn't Gumball you know.

Targa Tasmania, Targa Wrest point, Quit Targa West and Rally Tasmania are all timed competitive events, officiated and managed in the same format as the WRC and ARC. The only difference is that they use production cars on closed public roads, very similar in structure to the WRC tarmac stages that are run through Europe.