Wagner 5.7" intercoolers from ByDesign
They didn't just slap it together. Everything was accounted for and calculated including air flow through the core inside and out, fit as a complete kit, application (remember they make 3.5's as well) HP level and finally cost. The picture does help thanks Win. You can see the carpet through the core 
This is years in the making. I remember speaking with them about it at SEMA 2014 and it was already in development. Work with an experienced seller/tuner you trust and you should be fine. I apply these to many builds with confidence and go over the logs with my clients. More and more will be posting soon.
This is years in the making. I remember speaking with them about it at SEMA 2014 and it was already in development. Work with an experienced seller/tuner you trust and you should be fine. I apply these to many builds with confidence and go over the logs with my clients. More and more will be posting soon.
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You guys are lucky. Yes, sustained autobahn runs would be a great way to test ICs. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury here on this side of the pond. 
A couple of pictures of like this of the various intecooler cores showing the # of cooling and flow channels along with core density would go a long way to telling a story... Can someone post a couple of pics like this of the Wagner cores??
997.2 CORES
[url=https://flic.kr/p/PD3Sba]
[url=https://flic.kr/p/PAtLt7]
AEROSPACE CORES (the fin density here is pretty ridiculous) The fin thickness is very fine resulting in a tremendous amount of surface area which leads to high efficiency while keeping the core just barely heavier than the 997.2 cores.
[url=https://flic.kr/p/HtXKUD]
A couple of pictures of like this of the various intecooler cores showing the # of cooling and flow channels along with core density would go a long way to telling a story... Can someone post a couple of pics like this of the Wagner cores??
997.2 CORES
[url=https://flic.kr/p/PD3Sba]
[url=https://flic.kr/p/PAtLt7]
AEROSPACE CORES (the fin density here is pretty ridiculous) The fin thickness is very fine resulting in a tremendous amount of surface area which leads to high efficiency while keeping the core just barely heavier than the 997.2 cores.
[url=https://flic.kr/p/HtXKUD]
I have access to 2 kinds of core designs- one meant for massive cooling and the other for high HP/flow.
I keep saying it, ask your cooler company where they get their supply of cores. Obviously most of them do not make the actual bar n plates themselves. Soon after that you will be able to separate the boys from the men....
if anything, there is a 500% mark up on the coolers most of you buy and you have no idea...
Not trying to go after anyone just saying...
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I have access to 2 kinds of core designs- one meant for massive cooling and the other for high HP/flow.
I keep saying it, ask your cooler company where they get their supply of cores. Obviously most of them do not make the actual bar n plates themselves. Soon after that you will be able to separate the boys from the men....
if anything, there is a 500% mark up on the coolers most of you buy and you have no idea...
Not trying to go after anyone just saying...
I keep saying it, ask your cooler company where they get their supply of cores. Obviously most of them do not make the actual bar n plates themselves. Soon after that you will be able to separate the boys from the men....
if anything, there is a 500% mark up on the coolers most of you buy and you have no idea...
Not trying to go after anyone just saying...
Right. I should have some back to back in couple days.
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These are an interesting design as it appears to be a tube/fin core versus a bar/plate. But it's super thick too so can still sort of act like a heat sink. IMO I don't care at all for tube/fin cores and believe the bar/plate to be superior but that's not to say these won't or don't work well.
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Intercoolers ARE part heatsink. When the heat is more than they can shed to airflow the mass begins to heat up. If there's too little mass the air charge begins to heat up as well. Too little mass and too little heat shed and you get temps running away. I favor intercoolers with some mass personally. An issue you will also see with some setups is that when air charge volume drops you can get radiation back into the air charge as the intercooler uses the air mass to cool down. This will show up as a bump in IAT during a cooldown lap or on the return road at a drag strip.
FWIW, the Supra community used to debate theory like crazy too except it was silly things like adding lag with too much volume. I shut a few up by putting the biggest Greddy intercooler on my stock turbos and comparing spool datalogs. Difference in spool time was in the noise, within about 300rpm. When you consider how much airflow turbos and engines move you realize that added volume fills up VERY fast. Perhaps on a tiny 1.8 motor I might have found a bigger difference but 3+ liters move lots of air...
FWIW, the Supra community used to debate theory like crazy too except it was silly things like adding lag with too much volume. I shut a few up by putting the biggest Greddy intercooler on my stock turbos and comparing spool datalogs. Difference in spool time was in the noise, within about 300rpm. When you consider how much airflow turbos and engines move you realize that added volume fills up VERY fast. Perhaps on a tiny 1.8 motor I might have found a bigger difference but 3+ liters move lots of air...
The point is a comparison: thermocouples left and right and different intercoolers left and right - and as many test with different ICs in as close to the same conditions as possible.
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Sounds good Steve are you the one who is going to be testing the coolers back to back?
If so, I look forward to the results showing how much better the Wagner 5.7's are compared to whatever you test them against
If so, I look forward to the results showing how much better the Wagner 5.7's are compared to whatever you test them against
This thread being about the Wagner's…I do have several sets in stock as I just got replenished! Anyone who is interested I can sweeten the deal so we can bring the public more data can n these babies. For now I can just say I've been in the game for a little bit and these are pretty awesome to me so I stand behind them 
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that's why I wrote that. I'm aware, but a bar/plate is a better heatsink than a tube/fin. It looks like they tried to combine both by utilizing a thick tube/fin core.
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This thread being about the Wagner'sÂ…I do have several sets in stock as I just got replenished! Anyone who is interested I can sweeten the deal so we can bring the public more data can n these babies. For now I can just say I've been in the game for a little bit and these are pretty awesome to me so I stand behind them
