Regarding the wife remarks he made towards Manifold, I already noticed that you gave him give positive rep for those remarks, and also supported his remarks with comments that I won't post here. So of course it follows that you don't feel those specific actions were worthy of banning (real classy by the way.)

However, Speed posted a lot of "tongue in cheek" remarks. One or two on their own aren't a problem. But dozens and dozens, in addition to consistently berating other forum members while ignoring warnings and PMs from mods IS worth getting banned over.

Really, Sid??

Look - you aren't privy to 99% of what happens in the background on 6speed. You weren't included in the discussion when he was temp-banned, and you also weren't included in the multiple previous warnings or PMs that I have sent him over the years. But guess what? All of those things happened. Whether or not you believe it is completely irrelevant.

Nothing he posted towards me set me off. What set me off was his posts berating Manifold's wife and his relentless attacks on both BW and Manifold. I hadn't seen all of them until I started going back through the thread. Once I saw the wife remarks, that was it. I have absolutely no tolerance for that type of thing whatsoever.

Heck, I had even openly let him know that neither BW or Manifold were the ones who had negative repped him. Yet he ignored what I told him and still negative repped them 'in return' and left nasty comments.

When you say you "understand my reaction when being questioned on an open forum", do you mean like you have done at every opportunity in this thread? Have I warned you in response? Have I threatened you? Have I negative repped you? Have I banned you? No. I've done none of the above.

The honest truth is I feel that you are about as impertinent and as they come, yet I have dealt with your posts without flinching. The difference is that Speed had been doing it towards other members for a long time, had received multiple warnings, had even been temp-banned, and of course publicly and uncouthly criticized a member's wife. His actions were a lot worse than simply being an a$$hat.

I absolutely agree! Further, I believe that the 991 nay-sayers are very similar to many of the GT-R nay-sayers. They have a hard time dealing with the fact that a car might be superior to thiers in certain areas. I wouldn't purchase a 991 over a 997.1 only because I would be limited to how much power I could make. But that doesn't mean I don't freely admit that the 991 is superior in every other way.

Sticking up for one's car is never the problem. The problem is always in how it's done.

 

Ha! Anytime you make a post in reponse to mine your intentions are to get into a mud-slinging contest. That's what you do, and what you've done in the many years that you've been posting here.

I didn't label a large portion as "non-enthusiasts" at all. I actually think it's a small portion. But unfortunately that small portion of people are usually the ones who get the most bent out of shape and loud in Porsche/GT-R discussions.

I believe the real enthusiasts appreciate the cars that they have, and don't feel the need to hate on different ones.

Honestly, I don't care one bit. I get cars that I like regardless of how others may percieve them. I don't care what brand it is, as long as the car fits my requirements and I'm passionate about it.

Regarding constantly switching out cars, that's because I want to own and drive many different cars before I'm too old to enjoy them. When I make a lot more money, I will be able to keep certain cars while buying others that I'm interested in spending time in. But unfortunately, in order to stay within my 'current' budget, I normally have to swap cars out for others if I want to try something different. Sure, I could own multiple $40k-$50k cars at the same time, but when I'm swapping out cars that cost $150k or more, I simply can't afford to keep more than one at a time.

Since this is a car forum with many different types of car sections, I list my past cars to show the actual experience that I have with multiple car types.

Do you think I'm bothered for one second that I have owned GT-Rs and a Supra? Of course not. They are great cars. Do you think there are some people in here who would never own of those cars or list them in their signature simply because the brands don't have as much prestige? Absolutely. And those are the guys I'm speaking of when I mention insecurity.

You aren't required to agree with me. I'm simply expressing my opinions on the matter, just like you are.

 

Do you mean in direct response to your aggressive, condescending, and conclusion-jumping post?

Sid - if you are an a$$ to me, then I will be an a$$ right back to you. If you are polite and respectful to me, I will absolutely return the favor. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

You pass judgement on GT-R owners when you condemn and poke fun of their cars for not having enough cachet. Are you saying it is okay for you to do so, but not the other way around?

Saying you love your Porsche and/or you feel it's the greatest car on planet earth is NOT snobbish whatsoever. But, IMO, saying things like the below, are:

Do you not see the difference?

Right. A Porsche section where a Porsche owner created a thread about a comparison test against a GT-R. GT-R owners posted in the thread in reponse to the posts by Porsche owners. If the shoe was on the other foot, I would expect Porsche owners to come into the GT-R section and respond to comments made GT-R owners. That's what car forums are for. But to disparage one another's cars is not at all helpful to the situation.

Well, I've never been one to hold back. I speak my mind and have no plans on changing that. I'm sorry if my comments hit too close to home and somehow hurt your feelings, but I call it like I see it. Deal with it.

I guarantee you that I have not said everything that has come to mind. I've actually toned it down quite a bit, and did not post many things that I wanted to. Remember that even though I'm a moderator, I'm an enthusiast first and foremost.

It can look like whatever you want it to. But let's compare: Did I attack anyone's wife? Did I make fun of someone's avatar? Did I negative rep multiple Porsche owners who disagreed with me along with sending them negative and nasty comments? Did I ignore previous warnings and temp-bans from other moderators?

Nope. Looks like a difference exists afterall.

I haven't done any of the above to anyone else in this thread. Only Speed. And as I've stated multiple times before, it was a combination of numerous past and present actions that got him banned. It wasn't because he disagreed with me, because he was outspoken, or because he is a Porsche supporter.

Oh really?? Without getting into any details, all I can say to that is
You have no idea...

Sid - I find your conduct and attitude innappropriate and offensive for a full-grown adult. I also think you're being a huge drama queen. But even still, the idea of banning you or negative repping you hasn't even crossed my mind.

 

Of course. We all do. And I'm not even a professional driver.

That's like asking which is faster - PDK or manual clutch pedal shifting?

 

Wrong. He banned the one who insulted another poster's wife. Is this really that difficult to comprehend?

 

I've actually heard a few people argue that PDK isn't faster than MT. When PDK is used in manual mode, I don't see how MT could be faster. But I can see how MT might be faster than PDK in auto mode, if the MT driver does a better job of deciding when to shift.

Sometimes I have to laugh at how trivial these discussions can be, in the broader scheme of things. What an application of our intellects! And yet, this seems to be an appealing way for grown men to have some fun, doesn't it?

 

I am sure it faster and as I have psoted some people switch gears in the turn...even KK said he was changing gears with TIP at the apex...

that certainly has to help lap times.

 

I've been trying to avoid being drawn into the fray, but as the husband of the insulted but beloved wife who's been mentioned now several times, let me just make a few comments.

First, only the mods know what happened behind the scenes (and speed21 will tell only one side of the story), so the rest of us should refrain from judging the decisions of the mods. It's like being on a jury and trying to render a verdict when only very limited evidence is available. Opinions should be based on facts, and we don't have enough facts.

Second, IMO Scott has gone out of his way to explain his decision, and he didn't have to do that. As a mod in a privately-owned forum, he has the authority to make decisions without having to justify them. His taking considerable time to explain is for the good of the forum and shows that he takes his responsibility seriously.

Third, let's remember that most or all of the mods are car guys, and that's why they're here. We shouldn't expect that they won't participate in the discussions, including the more intense debates. Scott has expressed opinions which evidently rubbed some people the wrong way, but they were relevant to the discussion and IMO they were expressed sufficiently politely.

 

I do NOT want this to be a judgment forum

Lets GET BACK to cars...why we are here

 

I really can't see the MT EVER being faster than a PDK (or any dual clutch), ever (unless it is really crappy).

Please give me one example of someone claiming this (to put into reference).

 

I'm not sure, but didn't someone make that statement earlier in this thread? If not, it was another thread, but I don't remember which one.

 

Thats assuming one day production cars will do 0-60 in 1 second or faster . Theres only so far you can go, but I think since Porsche knows their cars are expected to do more thanks to its higher costs, the 991 in the end will eventually be in the top 3 if not 2.

 

I wasn't talking about 0-60 times, but I agree with you that Porsche will always be at or near the top of the automotive performance charts in multiple categories.

 

The mods can do their job, they don't need people campaigning for bans (unless it's Z07,porscherboy or a troll of that nature).

I'd neg rep you again for that........... And sign it too.



The 991 would have been faster because Tiff wouldn't have stupidly tried to put the car in first gear only to spend a second bouncing off the rev limiter before he even got near the apex of the turn. And then on top of that have to shift again at the apex to second gear while trying to turn the car.

I'd bet data will show that was a second or so lost in that turn. That is the equivalent of hitting the brakes again in the middle of the turn. Between his slow shifting and that pretty stupid move, I'd bet the PDK would have been over a second faster on that circuit if not more.

At that point, when you add some R-Comp level rubber like the GT-R has, the gap would all of a sudden get a whole lot smaller.

 

This one is actually easy to determine. Acceleration of a very powerful car from 0 to 60 mph (88 ft/s) is limited by tire grip, which is about 1.0g (32.2 ft/s^2) for street tires. So 88/32.2 = 2.7s. If you get stickier tires at 1.1g, it becomes 88/(32.2 x 1.1) = 2.5s. That's about where a Veyron is, and the time won't go any lower unless tire technology advances, or non-street tires are used.

Another point to note is that, to stay at the limit of tire grip with a very powerful engine, you need to have AWD and a very good traction control system. Again, not a coincidence that the Veyron, 911 Turbo S, GT-R, etc. are all AWD cars.