Stradale vs TT
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Originally posted by ben, lj
was your car remotely close to TT we were talking about? i mean i don't recall us talking about dropping a supercharger ala Novatech in the Stradale or an Enzo engine. rather the subject thread is stradale vs. TT and the TT was of the 520 hp variety (already a non-stock version). how'd we get so far off topic? why don't we just compare ferrari's F1 to your highly modified car. that would make as much sense.
when i said nothing out there like the stradale - save for the enzo, i was referring to the experience as a result of the sensory imput no TT (including yours) can provide - unless of course it too has carbon fiber door panels, exposed metal floors, no carpet, no sound deadening material, and an italian song playing behind you at 8500 screaming RPM.
was your car remotely close to TT we were talking about? i mean i don't recall us talking about dropping a supercharger ala Novatech in the Stradale or an Enzo engine. rather the subject thread is stradale vs. TT and the TT was of the 520 hp variety (already a non-stock version). how'd we get so far off topic? why don't we just compare ferrari's F1 to your highly modified car. that would make as much sense.
when i said nothing out there like the stradale - save for the enzo, i was referring to the experience as a result of the sensory imput no TT (including yours) can provide - unless of course it too has carbon fiber door panels, exposed metal floors, no carpet, no sound deadening material, and an italian song playing behind you at 8500 screaming RPM.
Ben,
I'll be street legal, a F1 Ferrari isn't. Why stop singing at 8500? We think a German singing at 10,000 rpm's sounds alot better.
I get my nose a little out of shape when the 996tt is looked down on because it is a far superior platform. There is so much more you can work with.
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Originally posted by cjv
Ben,
I'll be street legal, a F1 Ferrari isn't. Why stop singing at 8500? We think a German singing at 10,000 sound alot better.
Ben,
I'll be street legal, a F1 Ferrari isn't. Why stop singing at 8500? We think a German singing at 10,000 sound alot better.
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Originally posted by ben, lj
it could rev to 20k and it'd still be a bore compared to the stradale or enzo if you don't have the rest of the elements i listed. there are many more. btw, the S7 TT also tears the enzo a new a-hole. fwiw, consider me skeptical about your 1200 hp TT being street legal (including smog and emissions without temp mods just to pass). as you found out with your last motor, that stuff doesn't last long - unlike the stradale and enzo motors. you guys can make all the guesses you want about longevity but previous guesses were apparently wrong unless you guys were trying to bend valves.
it could rev to 20k and it'd still be a bore compared to the stradale or enzo if you don't have the rest of the elements i listed. there are many more. btw, the S7 TT also tears the enzo a new a-hole. fwiw, consider me skeptical about your 1200 hp TT being street legal (including smog and emissions without temp mods just to pass). as you found out with your last motor, that stuff doesn't last long - unlike the stradale and enzo motors. you guys can make all the guesses you want about longevity but previous guesses were apparently wrong unless you guys were trying to bend valves.
If you are so skeptical .......... then arrange to bring one out. My last motor was stock internally. The internals on this more would make the street Ferrari's look primitive by comparison.
You think that is boring? Oh well.
PS, we were bending rods, not valves.
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Originally posted by cjv
Ben,
If you are so skeptical .......... then arrange to bring one out. My last motor was stock internally. The internals on this more would make the street Ferrari's look primitive by comparison.
You think that is boring? Oh well.
PS. We were bending "rods" not "valves."
Ben,
If you are so skeptical .......... then arrange to bring one out. My last motor was stock internally. The internals on this more would make the street Ferrari's look primitive by comparison.
You think that is boring? Oh well.
PS. We were bending "rods" not "valves."
as far as "bringing one out", performance is not what i was referring to - rather "sensory imput" was.
i don't mind you trying to bring KA into any and all threads whenever you can, but please read what is written so you don't have to twist stuff to transition it in.
doh, re: the rods vs. valves. my bad. however, i don't think the fact it was the rods that failed vs. the valves negates my point.
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Originally posted by cjv
It just get my nose a little out of shape when the 996tt is looked down on because it is a far superior platform. There is so much more you can work with.
It just get my nose a little out of shape when the 996tt is looked down on because it is a far superior platform. There is so much more you can work with.
certainly not looked down upon...
at least in this camp...
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Originally posted by ben, lj
the skepticism surrounds the C.A.R.B. approval of all your parts as well as the passing of smog and emissions - hence "street legal".
as far as "bringing one out", performance is not what i was referring to - rather "sensory imput" was.
i don't mind you trying to bring KA into any and all threads whenever you can, but please read what is written so you don't have to twist stuff to transition it in.
doh, re: the rods vs. valves. my bad. however, i don't think the fact it was the rods that failed vs. the valves negates my point.
the skepticism surrounds the C.A.R.B. approval of all your parts as well as the passing of smog and emissions - hence "street legal".
as far as "bringing one out", performance is not what i was referring to - rather "sensory imput" was.
i don't mind you trying to bring KA into any and all threads whenever you can, but please read what is written so you don't have to twist stuff to transition it in.
doh, re: the rods vs. valves. my bad. however, i don't think the fact it was the rods that failed vs. the valves negates my point.
Stop splitting hairs. You change to a non stock DV valve and the car will not pass the CARB parts test. They will and mine will pass the sniff test.
Sensory
, that is a cop out. If a car has it's head handed to itself on a platter, is this subjective "sensory" a golden parachute that softens the landing? As for what is writtten, I have never driven a stock 996tt (including my own) so I just wouldn't understand.
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Ben,
I love Ferrari's. I have owned more than one. They are great car's. I just don't understand why one car has to climb up the ladder at the expense of another. The cars being discussed in this thread are different. They have their own strenghts and weaknessess.
Nothing I said was intended to be personal. If it was taken that way I apologize.
I love Ferrari's. I have owned more than one. They are great car's. I just don't understand why one car has to climb up the ladder at the expense of another. The cars being discussed in this thread are different. They have their own strenghts and weaknessess.
Nothing I said was intended to be personal. If it was taken that way I apologize.
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Ben,
Of course you aren't biased or anything... I remember when you actually thought that the Carrera GT was disappointing and that the Stradale provided a better experience and represented a better value. How wrong you were!
Watt likes the Stradale, but I would bet that he didn't drive it like he would a Porsche. I am confident that he knew in the back of his mind it was still a fragile Ferrari that's liable to bend or break under rough conditions.
Let me give you an example. When we hit inclement weather in January where it rained heavily for 2 straight weeks, which car did Watt drive? A BMW M5 (mine).
What did I drive during that time? A GT3!
As I said before, what is 8900 miles? It is far too early to tell if it is truly reliable or not. Someone needs to drive one for 70K or even 100K miles, then measure the cost of ownership. This low mileage amount is meaningless, as any car that has severe problems at this age would be deemed a genuine piece of ****.
In addition, I would like to see someone put a Stradale in the dirt or launch it airborne . Then we will see how "durable" it really is.
Remember the "Race of Champions"?
Of course you aren't biased or anything...
I remember when you actually thought that the Carrera GT was disappointing and that the Stradale provided a better experience and represented a better value. How wrong you were!Watt likes the Stradale, but I would bet that he didn't drive it like he would a Porsche. I am confident that he knew in the back of his mind it was still a fragile Ferrari that's liable to bend or break under rough conditions.
Let me give you an example. When we hit inclement weather in January where it rained heavily for 2 straight weeks, which car did Watt drive? A BMW M5 (mine).
What did I drive during that time? A GT3!
As I said before, what is 8900 miles? It is far too early to tell if it is truly reliable or not. Someone needs to drive one for 70K or even 100K miles, then measure the cost of ownership. This low mileage amount is meaningless, as any car that has severe problems at this age would be deemed a genuine piece of ****.
In addition, I would like to see someone put a Stradale in the dirt or launch it airborne . Then we will see how "durable" it really is.
Remember the "Race of Champions"?
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Originally posted by cjv
Ben,
I love Ferrari's. I have owned more than one. They are great car's. I just don't understand why one car has to climb up the ladder at the expense of another. The cars being discussed in this thread are different. They have their own strenghts and weaknessess.
Nothing I said was intended to be personal. If it was taken that way I apologize.
Ben,
I love Ferrari's. I have owned more than one. They are great car's. I just don't understand why one car has to climb up the ladder at the expense of another. The cars being discussed in this thread are different. They have their own strenghts and weaknessess.
Nothing I said was intended to be personal. If it was taken that way I apologize.
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Originally posted by Hamann7
Ben,
Of course you aren't biased or anything... I remember when you actually thought that the Carrera GT was disappointing and that the Stradale provided a better experience and represented a better value. How wrong you were!
Watt likes the Stradale, but I would bet that he didn't drive it like he would a Porsche. I am confident that he knew in the back of his mind it was still a fragile Ferrari that's liable to bend or break under rough conditions.
Let me give you an example. When we hit inclement weather in January where it rained heavily for 2 straight weeks, which car did Watt drive? A BMW M5 (mine).
What did I drive during that time? A GT3!
As I said before, what is 8900 miles? It is far too early to tell if it is truly reliable or not. Someone needs to drive one for 70K or even 100K miles, then measure the cost of ownership. This low mileage amount is meaningless, as any car that has severe problems at this age would be deemed a genuine piece of ****.
In addition, I would like to see someone put a Stradale in the dirt or launch it airborne . Then we will see how "durable" it eally is.
Remember the "Race of Champions"?
Ben,
Of course you aren't biased or anything...
I remember when you actually thought that the Carrera GT was disappointing and that the Stradale provided a better experience and represented a better value. How wrong you were!Watt likes the Stradale, but I would bet that he didn't drive it like he would a Porsche. I am confident that he knew in the back of his mind it was still a fragile Ferrari that's liable to bend or break under rough conditions.
Let me give you an example. When we hit inclement weather in January where it rained heavily for 2 straight weeks, which car did Watt drive? A BMW M5 (mine).
What did I drive during that time? A GT3!
As I said before, what is 8900 miles? It is far too early to tell if it is truly reliable or not. Someone needs to drive one for 70K or even 100K miles, then measure the cost of ownership. This low mileage amount is meaningless, as any car that has severe problems at this age would be deemed a genuine piece of ****.
In addition, I would like to see someone put a Stradale in the dirt or launch it airborne . Then we will see how "durable" it eally is.
Remember the "Race of Champions"?
"does the speed difference bother you in the ferrari?"
(ie: that's the speed difference between his 520 - not 1200 hp TT vs. the stradale). then someone brings in a GT2 saying it is the proper comparison. then buddy brings his 700 lb torque. then another GT2 is brought inito it. then some joker brings in the cost of a total brake job (which should happen at 50k+ miles for the pads - but not the rotors - if watt's experience is to be extrapoloated). then the 1200 hp TT gets thrown in. and now were talking about driving in the rain, "potential" reliability since no evidence to the contrary has been submitted, cost of ownership, driving in the dirt. why this crap always turns into an off topic circle jerk i'll never understand. what's with the constant dick measurement around here all the time?
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Probably because some of us are Porsche biased.
Then again, if I had a Carrera GT, I wouldn't even participate in this circle jerk, since everyone knows which one is the biggest of all
Stradale is a nice car, no doubt. It just needs a motor with more guts. Different strokes for different folks.
Then again, if I had a Carrera GT, I wouldn't even participate in this circle jerk, since everyone knows which one is the biggest of all
Stradale is a nice car, no doubt. It just needs a motor with more guts. Different strokes for different folks.
