Ya know one thing I will say about the TT and GT2 comparo is this... I love the GT2 to bits but I _was_ suprised that both GT2s in the shoot out didn't SPANK the TT's seeing as they were driven by real pros... In fact only James' GT2 split the back by 0.3 seconds ahead of the rest (although Johannes was slowest in it). If I remember rightly everyone posted between 1.45 and 1.46 for lap times right? The SCARGO GT2 had double adjustable suspension (some serious power also) and yet only beat my car by .09 or something and my car didn't even have a functioning MAF which meant I had NO ABS so Darren had to take it easier out there with mine.

I just thought I'd bring this up since both of those drivers are VERY good and also used to driving RWD cars like GT3s as a job yet the AWD pig heavy turbos did perform remarkbly well. I think there's a lot to be said for that....

 

The only way to solve this is for me to drive a stock tt and a stock Stradale back to back. Ben, when should I come out?



ps: I might need to test your Carrera GT also!

 

I believe street starts to blur into race at some point .......... both power and suspension wise. Any engine that is approaching or exceeding 150 hp per litre is nearing or at race numbers. As for the suspension ............ if you don't want to take it on extended trips or drive it every day because it is simply to harsh or road friendly, well you are probably at or near race again.

There is something to be said about not crossing the line of everyday streetability. For some reason streetability isn't seriously discussed in much detail (at least honestly in public).

 

Stradale accelerates as fast as a stock TT and GT3 and will pass both up over 130 or so because of the superior aerodynamics. I've experienced this myself. It's also documented by car mags and a Top Gear video. Here's a speedo video for the Stradale.

Stradale speedo

 

Can you back up your aerodynamic superiority speculation ? I bet the GT3 has a lower drag coefficient than the Stradale...

 

I believe I saw a Top Gear video that tests the straight line acceleration between the Stradale and GT3-RS with the edge favoring the Stradale.

Stradale > GT3, GT2, Turbo in my automotive calculator.

 

this is the documentation that I've seen, with stock Turbo outaccelerating Stradale up to 200 (~125mph) ... but the gap there seems significant enough I would think the Stradale would have a tough time catching up.

Acceleration Stradale vs. Turbo
0 - 40 Km/h 1,3 s vs. 1,2 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,1 s vs. 1,9 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,3 s vs. 3,2 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,4 s vs. 4,2 s
0 - 120 Km/h 6 s vs. 5,9 s
0 - 140 Km/h 7,6 s vs. 7,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h 9,7 s vs. 9,4 s
0 - 180 Km/h 12,1 s vs. 11,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 15,5 s vs. 14,6 s
Top Speed 300 Km/h vs. 305 Km/h


Elasticity (4./5./6.) Stadale Turbo
80 - 100 Km/h 2 s / 3,1 s / 4,5 s vs. 1,7 s / 2,4 s / 3,4 s
80 - 120 Km/h 4 s / 5,8 s / 8,7 s vs. 3,5 s / 4,5 s / 6,1 s
80 - 160 Km/h 8,3 s / 11,4 s / 16,4 s vs. 7,6 s / 9,2 s / 12,1 s
80 - 180 Km/h 10,5 s / 13,9 s / - s vs. 9,6 s / 11,7 s / 15,4 s

 

Stradale CD = .335
GT3 Cd = .30

Looks like the Stradale overcomes the GT3 and TT by its horsepower advantage, not by its aerodynamics.

 

I raced a stock 993TT. Is this for a 996 TT? If so, the 996 has a lower CD which would explain the faster time (.9 seconds to 120 MPH).

BTW, with ordinary drivers, the Stradale may make up the .9 seconds to 120 MPH in the faster shifting (.15 seconds/shift).

Also, what happens past 120? That's the speeds I've experienced, and likely the speeds the Top Gear video used.

 

Ya Buddy is all about Toque and HP....

 

BTW, here's a little known fact, from the owners manual, about the Stradale's suspension system using F1 technology:

"The shock absorbers are double-acting and of the hydro-pneumatic type, with electronically controlled variable setting...

...The system permits optimal setting of the shock absorbers, under all conditions of use of the vehicle and thereby also helping to optimize hold on the road...

The Electronic Control Unit (ECU) selects the shock absorber setting on the basis of one or more of the following parameters:

- "Race" or normal modes;
- driving speed;
- vertical and lateral (front and rear) acceleration;
- braking in progress.

...Acceleration sensors... detect and transmit data to the ECU concerning the intensity of vertical and lateral stresses affecting the car.

 

Like my wife says, just pull it out and get it over with.

 

Acceleration Stradale vs. Turbo
0 - 40 Km/h 1,3 s vs. 1,2 s
0 - 60 Km/h 2,1 s vs. 1,9 s
0 - 80 Km/h 3,3 s vs. 3,2 s
0 - 100 Km/h 4,4 s vs. 4,2 s
0 - 120 Km/h 6 s vs. 5,9 s
0 - 140 Km/h 7,6 s vs. 7,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h 9,7 s vs. 9,4 s
0 - 180 Km/h 12,1 s vs. 11,9 s
0 - 200 Km/h 15,5 s vs. 14,6 s
Top Speed 300 Km/h vs. 305 Km/h
Fun factor ejaculated vs. mild hard on

guys, you aren't gonna feel the .1 to .3 sec diff in acceleration tests like this but you are most definetely gonna feel the race car sensation and rush of sensory imput from the CS vs. the more mundane TT. i should shut up though because there are only 350 of the CS's in the US and planting the seed could be frustrating to anyone wanting to try one out. i'm happy too demonstrate for anyone down here though. until you've driven a CS, you just don't have any idea. driving a regular 360 doesn't get you any closer to the experience either.

 

i don't think anyone is disagreeing, sort of like the diff btw the GT3 and Turbo, a more track ready raw car will tend to be more exciting + stradale sound + much greater sensory input.

TT is much more of a highway GT than the raw race car a Stradale is ... I don't think they are in anyway competitors (plus TT is quite a bit cheaper).

however I would put it at "ejaculated" vs. "raging hard on"

 

any idea why we're comparing em then?

ps. the raw race car deal is more so in a stradale than in a GT3. the GT3 is very exciting and much closer in that respect to the CS than the TT, but it doesn't get there either.