Stradale vs TT
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Originally posted by ColorChange
Ben, I agree with everything you wrote except you missed one critical part in my analysis...
I wipe your *** off the track with my fat, cheap, depreciating porker.
Ben, I agree with everything you wrote except you missed one critical part in my analysis...
I wipe your *** off the track with my fat, cheap, depreciating porker.
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Having been in the car with Ben and knowing how well a Stradale handles particularly at high speed, I seriously doubt that.
Besides, why would Ben bother to show up to the track in his beater car when he can make your Turbo look like Herbie the Love Bug after getting out of a max. security penitentiary in his Carrera GT?
Ben just defends the Stradale because he is trying to convince himself into keeping it. He knows that after the CGT, there is absolutely no reason to drive the CS except to the grocery store or places where the CGT would not be suitable to park.
Besides, why would Ben bother to show up to the track in his beater car when he can make your Turbo look like Herbie the Love Bug after getting out of a max. security penitentiary in his Carrera GT?
Ben just defends the Stradale because he is trying to convince himself into keeping it. He knows that after the CGT, there is absolutely no reason to drive the CS except to the grocery store or places where the CGT would not be suitable to park.
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Originally posted by Hamann7
Ben just defends the Stradale because he is trying to convince himself into keeping it. He knows that after the CGT, there is absolutely no reason to drive the CS except to the grocery store or places where the CGT would not be suitable to park.
Ben just defends the Stradale because he is trying to convince himself into keeping it. He knows that after the CGT, there is absolutely no reason to drive the CS except to the grocery store or places where the CGT would not be suitable to park.
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On a super tight, super slow track, you might be right, but not on most tracks. 
Hammann: I don't doubt it (even with equal drivers) with over 200 hp and 300 ft./lbs in the bank against a maybe 4-500 lb weight penalty. Yes, the CGT would kill me, but that's a whole nother story.
Hammann: I don't doubt it (even with equal drivers) with over 200 hp and 300 ft./lbs in the bank against a maybe 4-500 lb weight penalty. Yes, the CGT would kill me, but that's a whole nother story.
Originally posted by Hamann7
Having been in the car with Ben and knowing how well a Stradale handles particularly at high speed, I seriously doubt that.
Besides, why would Ben bother to show up to the track in his beater car when he can make your Turbo look like Herbie the Love Bug after getting out of a max. security penitentiary in his Carrera GT?
Ben just defends the Stradale because he is trying to convince himself into keeping it. He knows that after the CGT, there is absolutely no reason to drive the CS except to the grocery store or places where the CGT would not be suitable to park.
Having been in the car with Ben and knowing how well a Stradale handles particularly at high speed, I seriously doubt that.
Besides, why would Ben bother to show up to the track in his beater car when he can make your Turbo look like Herbie the Love Bug after getting out of a max. security penitentiary in his Carrera GT?
Ben just defends the Stradale because he is trying to convince himself into keeping it. He knows that after the CGT, there is absolutely no reason to drive the CS except to the grocery store or places where the CGT would not be suitable to park.
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Originally posted by ben, lj
i love hearing all the "for way less money" and "lpwer operating costs", etc rationale. tt owners mod up their blotted porkers and are still left with a heavyweight AWD. the cars are worth a fraction of what they have in them and the money they spent on mods is flushed right down the drain. otoh, i bought my stradale 7 months ago for $8k over MSRP. i have four people interested in paying me $2k over MSRP at the present (with one being a WHOLESALER) - and the car isn't even advertised! tell me the bedtime story again about the money delta?
ps. i betcha i could drive it another 7 months and not lose another $1 (save for the annual oil change).
i love hearing all the "for way less money" and "lpwer operating costs", etc rationale. tt owners mod up their blotted porkers and are still left with a heavyweight AWD. the cars are worth a fraction of what they have in them and the money they spent on mods is flushed right down the drain. otoh, i bought my stradale 7 months ago for $8k over MSRP. i have four people interested in paying me $2k over MSRP at the present (with one being a WHOLESALER) - and the car isn't even advertised! tell me the bedtime story again about the money delta?
ps. i betcha i could drive it another 7 months and not lose another $1 (save for the annual oil change).
how many miles did you put on it?
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Originally posted by alamein
how many miles did you put on it?
how many miles did you put on it?
btw, one of the buyers thought i was still asking $12k over MSRP and was still interested! maybe that's why a wholesaler is willing to go $2k over. to be honest though, wholesale is a LOT less on a red one since they are plentiful.
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Originally posted by ben, lj
i only put 1600 on it, but didn't drive it for a month after the baby was born (sleep deprevation is not a good condition to mix with high perf driving), we had 6 weeks of monsoonal rain, and the CGT came less than 3 months after the CS. that said, i could have bought a new TT, put $20K+ (min) in it like a lot of those around here had to in order to get remotely close track performance, put only 1600 miles on it, and kissed away $25k+ off MSRP + 100% of the dollars spent on go fast parts.
i only put 1600 on it, but didn't drive it for a month after the baby was born (sleep deprevation is not a good condition to mix with high perf driving), we had 6 weeks of monsoonal rain, and the CGT came less than 3 months after the CS. that said, i could have bought a new TT, put $20K+ (min) in it like a lot of those around here had to in order to get remotely close track performance, put only 1600 miles on it, and kissed away $25k+ off MSRP + 100% of the dollars spent on go fast parts.
probably true ... what about putting 25k miles on it, blowing away every stradale seen on the regular roads, and then comparing cost of ownership when time for sale comes up including maintenance? I'm not sure what that calc is but it's gotta be closer than the original. It seems right that if you put a few k miles on ferrari ownership especially Stradale makes more sense financially.
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Ben: The fact is I really like the Stradale. It really is way higher in maintenance, I am sure you will agree. If you drive it like I do, daily in the summer (no rain) and 15 track days a year - 8k miles, what would you expect your costs maint. costs to be on the F car? With the Pcar, it's oil and consumables, at reasonable raite (in comparison to Fcar rates). If you then project over 4 years, I'm still probably doing just consumables. Maybe a clutch.
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Originally posted by alamein
probably true ... what about putting 25k miles on it, blowing away every stradale seen on the regular roads, and then comparing cost of ownership when time for sale comes up including maintenance? I'm not sure what that calc is but it's gotta be closer than the original. It seems right that if you put a few k miles on ferrari ownership especially Stradale makes more sense financially.
probably true ... what about putting 25k miles on it, blowing away every stradale seen on the regular roads, and then comparing cost of ownership when time for sale comes up including maintenance? I'm not sure what that calc is but it's gotta be closer than the original. It seems right that if you put a few k miles on ferrari ownership especially Stradale makes more sense financially.
btw, compare this to my similarly mileaged CGT (2100 miles) and it's $50k+ drop in value in 3 months.
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Originally posted by ColorChange
Ben: The fact is I really like the Stradale. It really is way higher in maintenance, I am sure you will agree. If you drive it like I do, daily in the summer (no rain) and 15 track days a year - 8k miles, what would you expect your costs maint. costs to be on the F car? With the Pcar, it's oil and consumables, at reasonable raite (in comparison to Fcar rates). If you then project over 4 years, I'm still probably doing just consumables. Maybe a clutch.
Ben: The fact is I really like the Stradale. It really is way higher in maintenance, I am sure you will agree. If you drive it like I do, daily in the summer (no rain) and 15 track days a year - 8k miles, what would you expect your costs maint. costs to be on the F car? With the Pcar, it's oil and consumables, at reasonable raite (in comparison to Fcar rates). If you then project over 4 years, I'm still probably doing just consumables. Maybe a clutch.
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went in early [not at 10,000]. the CS is proving bulletproof "like a Porsche" and very mild on consumables.
- 6% clutch wear at 8900 miles. Service mgr says not unuusual for him to see 50% wear in his 360 pool
- 20% pad wear on first set of brake pads
- rotors perfect
all Strads need is oil and brake fluid changes!!!! "Like a rock", or is it "no substitute"?
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Originally posted by sharkster
Does it seem to you like the CGT revs so much more freely? I wasn't sure if it's because of the F1 system but from hearing a CGT rev it must have some crazy lightweight flywheel because it revs so darn fast.
Does it seem to you like the CGT revs so much more freely? I wasn't sure if it's because of the F1 system but from hearing a CGT rev it must have some crazy lightweight flywheel because it revs so darn fast.
Many of us wish it was just a lightweight flywheel. The CGT is truly a holistic result which is why it so much warms the cockles of our automotive hearts.
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Originally posted by ben, lj
to be honest though, wholesale is a LOT less on a red one since they are plentiful.
to be honest though, wholesale is a LOT less on a red one since they are plentiful.