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K16 Billet VS K24/18g turbos.

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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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K16 Billet VS K24/18g turbos.

I'm looking to do a turbo upgrade. I would like to put out around 550 at the wheels. My car will be used mainly as a street car. I'd like to know the difference between these two setups. I've been doing some research and what I gather is that the K16's will spool a bit faster, but the k24/18g's have better top end power. Is this correct, and how big is the difference? Thanks.
 
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your correct... it will be hard to get 550whp on k16 billets... ( nor 16gs). on 93 octane. you will need at least a 5 bar, maybe injectors, a clutch, good after market WGs, intercoolers, open exhaust, intake to turbos... k16s are easy to get but k24s are not... so your options are limited... a good tune make s a big difference as well... I do have clients making 560all wheel mustang dyno on 91 with meth.... OEM ICs..
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I went through the exact same scenario over the winter. I finally chose the 18gs because I wanted to run less boost but still get the same (maybe better? Haven't dynod) results on 93.

For what it's worth, I can also tell you I don't drive around wishing my 18gs spooled faster
 
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Purchased some k24/18gs from the for sale section.
 
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No turbo can spool quick enough :)

Originally Posted by vr4henry
I went through the exact same scenario over the winter. I finally chose the 18gs because I wanted to run less boost but still get the same (maybe better? Haven't dynod) results on 93.

For what it's worth, I can also tell you I don't drive around wishing my 18gs spooled faster

K24/18g's aren't too bad, I'd love to move the spool about 500RPM's to the left..
 
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Purchased some k24/18gs from the for sale section.
Keep us updated on your progress/results.
 
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Originally Posted by JSBear
K24/18g's aren't too bad, I'd love to move the spool about 500RPM's to the left..
Then you would be at a stock k16 point... we want it all but lets be realistic...
A K24 based hybrid will beat a k16 compressor wheel upgrade... not sure what there is to discuss..
 
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Neil,

The p800 is alpha 28's? or 3071's?
 
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I'm guessing I can fish around your site but, have you tried 3071's too? What seems to be the HP/tq shift to the right between the A28's, 71's and or the 76's? Sorry for the OT!
 

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[QUOTE=Neil Switzer;3567863]Probably better off asking me anyways, new site is not done yet. QUOTE]

Neil, thanks. I'll probably give you a call to discuss. Sorry to the OP I didn't mean to go off topic.
 
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Originally Posted by Neil Switzer
Probably better off asking me anyways, new site is not done yet.

A28's hit harder than K16's, K24's, and we use a similar turbo on the 997TT P800 that out-spools the VTG's.

I believe Tym messed around with the 3071's but I don't have any data on them, next step up would be our massaged A30's which are good for 850+whp.

850rwhp on Alpha30s will be extremely tough on a 3.6L. on a 3.8L yup.

i run 2.0 bar through newest billet A3076 with FP covers and make 800rwhp. internal gates from Tial dont allow me more boost. i also run E85, so I suppose there could be another 20-30 from C16.

my A3076 also spool as fast as My FVD Race k24s did and just as fast as K16 car with tune/exhaust on same dyno. A28s spool insanely fast.
 
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Originally Posted by Neil Switzer
This is on a 997TT, stock engine. Similar power would be available on a 6TT.

The E85 is likely turning the turbine housing/gate into a choke point. If you went to external gates or C/Q16 you would pick up quite a bit.

997tt engine has superior heads ( my heads flow more then 997 heads), and superior intake manifold (which i also have on my car) so a 996tt with stock heads, intake manifold won't match the 997tt. at 800whp power level ported heads and intake mani are worth good power.

i do agree with you that the small hotsides are definetly the bottleneck along with the internal gates. heck external gates would help alot.

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Originally Posted by JSBear
K24/18g's aren't too bad, I'd love to move the spool about 500RPM's to the left..
Buy a set of intake pipes.
 
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Do you have a 3rd party dyno back to back that shows this ?

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Buy a set of intake pipes.
I'd like to see it, at 1.1 bar on cali 91 octane, I'm at around 525WHP. I've seen threads saying a 75MM TB and intake plenum shifts the RPM to the left also. Typically as part of a group buy thread, I'm not into the hype. Often hard to sort out what's hype on these forums and whats not, also seems as confusing as to whether or not I would see the benefit at my power level.

My best move may be methanol injection and intake piping, then re-assess from there. I assume I would be able to turn to the boost up to 1.3/1.4 bar and pickup 60WHP or so ..
 


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