The Mods which are a Waste of Money !
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lols...
wider front tires are a HUGE improvement for the TT. Not sure why you would not call it a mod - pedantics perhaps?
Were talking about a sports car that is set up more like a GT from the factory. 235 vs 225 front (and coilovers, and good alignment) really wake up the turbos front end. Way LESS understeer, a touch of drop throttle oversteer - awesome)
personally - i think the biggest/most dramatic emhancements at the lowest cost comes from.
1. Exhaust
2. ECU
3. PSS9/10 (medium duty coilover)
4. 235/18 front tire
re: the 19" wheels, its a known fact that the 996 platforma suspension geomeetry was deaigned specifically for 18" wheels. Unsprung mass aside, the 19" wheel is associated with poorer cornering performance. Evil wants data? simply ask the factory and private ALMS teams...
or better yet, search ths (and other track oriented) forum or better yet - take it to the track - since you seem so keen on reinventing the wheel. Many of us have been around this board and the porsche scene for a long time. We spent tons of money sorting stuff out AGES ago.
Seriously, just do a search....
wider front tires are a HUGE improvement for the TT. Not sure why you would not call it a mod - pedantics perhaps?
Were talking about a sports car that is set up more like a GT from the factory. 235 vs 225 front (and coilovers, and good alignment) really wake up the turbos front end. Way LESS understeer, a touch of drop throttle oversteer - awesome)
personally - i think the biggest/most dramatic emhancements at the lowest cost comes from.
1. Exhaust
2. ECU
3. PSS9/10 (medium duty coilover)
4. 235/18 front tire
re: the 19" wheels, its a known fact that the 996 platforma suspension geomeetry was deaigned specifically for 18" wheels. Unsprung mass aside, the 19" wheel is associated with poorer cornering performance. Evil wants data? simply ask the factory and private ALMS teams...
or better yet, search ths (and other track oriented) forum or better yet - take it to the track - since you seem so keen on reinventing the wheel. Many of us have been around this board and the porsche scene for a long time. We spent tons of money sorting stuff out AGES ago.
Seriously, just do a search....
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honestly i dont get the lack of data youre talking about.
The porsche community is full of gearheads who both insist on real data, understanding theories behind products - yet are not afraid to turn a wrench - not to mention spending time on racetracks (that arent straight).
Granted there's TONS of BS in the aftermarket community (i used to be in the business myself), but what separates the porsche crowd is their refusal to simply take the marketing line. Back in the 996tts heyday, "tuners" would come on the rennlist (back before Ib bought everythng, cuz THIS forum USED to be for the bling krew) - post some BS dynos, then we would pick them apart. It wasnt long before they stopped doing it OR made sure they had real data.
Secondly, in the scientific process - Data is really meaningless wthout correct interpretation and generation of results. You can have data, and twist it to prove the point you want to. Ultimately, the passage of time is an immutable constant. Hence, our reliance on the clock And the track setting.
Hopefully you find the data you're looking for. We found it ages ago. 996tt is a great platform, but its also over 10 years old. Old hat, long in th tooth, no spring cheeken.
move along, move along...
The porsche community is full of gearheads who both insist on real data, understanding theories behind products - yet are not afraid to turn a wrench - not to mention spending time on racetracks (that arent straight).
Granted there's TONS of BS in the aftermarket community (i used to be in the business myself), but what separates the porsche crowd is their refusal to simply take the marketing line. Back in the 996tts heyday, "tuners" would come on the rennlist (back before Ib bought everythng, cuz THIS forum USED to be for the bling krew) - post some BS dynos, then we would pick them apart. It wasnt long before they stopped doing it OR made sure they had real data.
Secondly, in the scientific process - Data is really meaningless wthout correct interpretation and generation of results. You can have data, and twist it to prove the point you want to. Ultimately, the passage of time is an immutable constant. Hence, our reliance on the clock And the track setting.
Hopefully you find the data you're looking for. We found it ages ago. 996tt is a great platform, but its also over 10 years old. Old hat, long in th tooth, no spring cheeken.
move along, move along...
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honestly i dont get the lack of data youre talking about.
The porsche community is full of gearheads who both insist on real data, understanding theories behind products - yet are not afraid to turn a wrench - not to mention spending time on racetracks (that arent straight).
Granted there's TONS of BS in the aftermarket community (i used to be in the business myself), but what separates the porsche crowd is their refusal to simply take the marketing line. Back in the 996tts heyday, "tuners" would come on the rennlist (back before Ib bought everythng, cuz THIS forum USED to be for the bling krew) - post some BS dynos, then we would pick them apart. It wasnt long before they stopped doing it OR made sure they had real data.
Secondly, in the scientific process - Data is really meaningless wthout correct interpretation and generation of results. You can have data, and twist it to prove the point you want to. Ultimately, the passage of time is an immutable constant. Hence, our reliance on the clock And the track setting.
Hopefully you find the data you're looking for. We found it ages ago. 996tt is a great platform, but its also over 10 years old. Old hat, long in th tooth, no spring cheeken.
move along, move along...
The porsche community is full of gearheads who both insist on real data, understanding theories behind products - yet are not afraid to turn a wrench - not to mention spending time on racetracks (that arent straight).
Granted there's TONS of BS in the aftermarket community (i used to be in the business myself), but what separates the porsche crowd is their refusal to simply take the marketing line. Back in the 996tts heyday, "tuners" would come on the rennlist (back before Ib bought everythng, cuz THIS forum USED to be for the bling krew) - post some BS dynos, then we would pick them apart. It wasnt long before they stopped doing it OR made sure they had real data.
Secondly, in the scientific process - Data is really meaningless wthout correct interpretation and generation of results. You can have data, and twist it to prove the point you want to. Ultimately, the passage of time is an immutable constant. Hence, our reliance on the clock And the track setting.
Hopefully you find the data you're looking for. We found it ages ago. 996tt is a great platform, but its also over 10 years old. Old hat, long in th tooth, no spring cheeken.
move along, move along...
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pedantics - not sure about that one since it isn't a word. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that but I just couldn't help myself
I was just having a little fun; no harm intended.
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pedantics - not sure about that one since it isn't a word. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that but I just couldn't help myself
I was just having a little fun; no harm intended.
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pedantics - not sure about that one since it isn't a word. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that but I just couldn't help myself
I was just having a little fun; no harm intended.
LOL, I just found it on the internet. So it must be true.
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IMO, the history of 6Speed is one big "which mod is a waste and which one works" thread. Nothing new has happened here in a while. I think the search button is best.
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I do disagree with some of what you are saying. The good news is, its ok! I feel that there still are things that are not clear but, thats fine.
If you want an examples, how is it that people are still asking,
1. how well does IPD plenum work?
2. gt2rs IC's work vrs aftermarket?
3. Air intakes in the IC ducting.
4. which airfilter is the best?
5. which fuel pump setup is best
6. what injector sizes for e85
7 tire pressures
8. rim sizes
9. "x" flow exhausts or non "x" flow exhausts
10. drone or no drone
And that was a short list of topics over the last page or two.
To be honest, the standard "search, we talked about this already", is boring. Searching and spending hours sifting through nonsense threads like this, make me feel it is a bigger waste than just asking.
I mean really, if everone who can't understand what i'm asking for just followed the OP's request to answer " mods, good vrs bad", instead of disproving me, this could have been a good thread.
As I see it, there are lots of threads that have a tiny bit of good information. It is hard to get it all in one good place. It seems the people who decide to ship there engine to "x" tuner and then post a fast 60-130 time are the kings when in reality, they either don't even know enough about what their tuner did to share or don't want to share their secrets. If it is the later, i completely understand. I have a feeling though, it is really that they just don't know so, they don't share.
For the record, I am not picking on anyone. Even the people who disagree are fine with me. This is a healthy debate and I enjoy it. It is clear to me that, I will have to just stop asking questions and just enjoy what is already written. I will however promise to share all or any of my findings.
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Gotcha... I've only owned my car for a year so I was somewhat interested to read other owner's opinions/perspective on what has and has not worked for them over the years. I suppose it's an interesting read for me.
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IMO IPD plenum and any intake plenum including bigger throttle body only come into play when going with GT30s or bigger and running race gas. Again my opinion.
I think most tuners agree that 1.3 bar is the max you can / want to run on street gas. Depending on turbos you're talking 525-600 WHP max. Moving up from there again gets you into GT30s which introduces more lag (due to the larger turbos) which means that you need even more power to make up for what you've lost in lag and lower range torque. Here's the rub (again my opinion) the only place you can really enjoy the benefits of larger turbos with more lag are 1. 60-130 times (running start effectively removes lag from the equation) or 2. standing mile type events where the bigger power again helps to overcome lag issues 3. driver her like you stole her (see https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...s-world-2.html) our boy Prodigy is doing work!!!
The bottom line is that 525-600 WHP are huge real world numbers and can be had with K16 type throttle response and very little compromise. Most of us are still limited to 3.6 liters and the stock motor. There comes a point where you really need to start considering and comparing what you're giving up in turbo lag and throttle response against what you're gaining in pure top end horsepower.
I think most tuners agree that 1.3 bar is the max you can / want to run on street gas. Depending on turbos you're talking 525-600 WHP max. Moving up from there again gets you into GT30s which introduces more lag (due to the larger turbos) which means that you need even more power to make up for what you've lost in lag and lower range torque. Here's the rub (again my opinion) the only place you can really enjoy the benefits of larger turbos with more lag are 1. 60-130 times (running start effectively removes lag from the equation) or 2. standing mile type events where the bigger power again helps to overcome lag issues 3. driver her like you stole her (see https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...s-world-2.html) our boy Prodigy is doing work!!!
The bottom line is that 525-600 WHP are huge real world numbers and can be had with K16 type throttle response and very little compromise. Most of us are still limited to 3.6 liters and the stock motor. There comes a point where you really need to start considering and comparing what you're giving up in turbo lag and throttle response against what you're gaining in pure top end horsepower.
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IMO IPD plenum and any intake plenum including bigger throttle body only come into play when going with GT30s or bigger and running race gas. Again my opinion.
I think most tuners agree that 1.3 bar is the max you can / want to run on street gas. Depending on turbos you're talking 525-600 WHP max. Moving up from there again gets you into GT30s which introduces more lag (due to the larger turbos) which means that you need even more power to make up for what you've lost in lag and lower range torque. Here's the rub (again my opinion) the only place you can really enjoy the benefits of larger turbos with more lag are 1. 60-130 times (running start effectively removes lag from the equation) or 2. standing mile type events where the bigger power again helps to overcome lag issues 3. driver her like you stole her (see https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...s-world-2.html) our boy Prodigy is doing work!!!
The bottom line is that 525-600 WHP are huge real world numbers and can be had with K16 type throttle response and very little compromise. Most of us are still limited to 3.6 liters and the stock motor. There comes a point where you really need to start considering and comparing what you're giving up in turbo lag and throttle response against what you're gaining in pure top end horsepower.
I think most tuners agree that 1.3 bar is the max you can / want to run on street gas. Depending on turbos you're talking 525-600 WHP max. Moving up from there again gets you into GT30s which introduces more lag (due to the larger turbos) which means that you need even more power to make up for what you've lost in lag and lower range torque. Here's the rub (again my opinion) the only place you can really enjoy the benefits of larger turbos with more lag are 1. 60-130 times (running start effectively removes lag from the equation) or 2. standing mile type events where the bigger power again helps to overcome lag issues 3. driver her like you stole her (see https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...s-world-2.html) our boy Prodigy is doing work!!!
The bottom line is that 525-600 WHP are huge real world numbers and can be had with K16 type throttle response and very little compromise. Most of us are still limited to 3.6 liters and the stock motor. There comes a point where you really need to start considering and comparing what you're giving up in turbo lag and throttle response against what you're gaining in pure top end horsepower.
Also I just did a back to back dyno test ,which I posted a thread on,with a 74mm TB amd Plenum swap..
Just my info I have found on my tests with my car and my combo of mods..
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Boost pressure is just one variable... ignition timing is another... but for some reason, you get posts saying "don't run more than x.xx bar on pump gas" but never posts saying "don't run more than xx degrees of timing on pump gas" - go figure.
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Thats because only people's tuners only know this.. Blowing up a few motors while trying to figure this out gets pretty old. I will also add, if you haven't got a few under your belt, you don't know where max power is..
Some tuners use more of one or less of another..
The trick is get the best combo for your combo..lol
Last edited by johnspeed; Aug 13, 2012 at 08:44 AM.