I wasn't speaking just about horsepower gains per se, it was more about buying what you may NEED, not what you THINK you may need.

Case in point, some people install larger turbos, and then go slower. Whether this is due to not running enough boost pressure to take advantage of a particular turbo, or not having enough fuel, or a variety of reasons, their money would be better spent on something else rather than turbos.

 

Well sad as it may be, but I have some experience here having spent at least 50K USD on 996TT mods, (inaddition to my local mechanic blowing up my engine which cost another 50K USD on his insurance) and then havng 2 modded Ferraris too, we are not doing talking chicken **** here, this is real world, what's worth the money and what is not. I would add never buy anything from Fabspeed, great marketing but the reality is a blow up doll

 

Funny how this created a four page thread. Most, if not all of the listed mods are subjective. I would "have to have" an ECU tune, exhaust, & a few others.

 

I think it varies for what the person wants.

If you want a car that you won't feel bad about driving (like a GT2; which is very special; and want a lower entry price point) and is going to make you beg for your life, make it more thrilling then a GT2 or GT3, better handling, more grip through the bends, I can help with which mods to do. Granted it wont suit those that :

1) Do not like a loud car
2) Care about their backaches
3) Care about tire wear
4) Do not like over steer.

 

Im assuming when the OP stated turbos he meant more HP( that k16 billets were not worth it) Ironically, if I had the time I would look on the threads and show you how the OP freaked out when he ran 1.3 bar on the turbos , injectors and tune when he got them( I recall reading the post) ... all you need is a $110 FPR, a tune, k16 billets, an exhaust and wham.. best HP upgrade you can ask for period.. tunes are not identical.. I have seen differences in performance just by swapping ecus tunes... so when it comes to turbos the k16 billets( there are a few options) with a tune, a FPR, are then best bang for the money HP wise...IDK where your coming from as we all know these parts are not exclusive of tune, fuel, etc. thats assumed...

 

I was surprised to see that upgraded IC's would be considered a waste of money. I can't really think of a situation where upgrading them wouldn't be beneficial when pushing the car hard. I can think of a few things I've wasted my money on that I wish I had saved towards upgrading my intercoolers instead.

When I first started down this road, I originally called Mark at 911 Tuning. He spent a lot of time covering my goals for the car and enlightening me on a few things I was considering that he really felt would be a waste of my time. - I really appreciate someone offering some advice on matters they've experienced.

Lastly, I think mods, in general, are highly subjective to the end-user and the intended use of their particular car.


With that said; I'm all about discussing mods out there that don't really make any appreciable difference, or perhaps don't actually make advertised gains.


As for the K16 Billet's; I have a set that Mark had modified for me and they are really a lot of fun what I wanted. I'm not chasing some crazy power number and I really like their crisp power delivery.

Chris.

 

Any mod that does not fit with your end plan is a waste of money. IE hybrids when only a REAL turbo can make the power you are looking for or a in line fuel pump as a "fuel system up grade".

 

That's EXACTLY my point. It is NOT assumed by someone who just got his car and is looking to mod it. They have no idea which mod needs to go with what, and it's a story I've seen played out over multiple platforms over decades. It's pretty easy for a new person to search on a forum, find out that Person A just installed turbo kit X, and is now running low 10's. What they may not realize is just how much extra mods had to be done to get there, stronger clutch, tune, exhaust, etc.

This particular thread is about what mods are worthwhile, so no, nothing is to be assumed. He even lists billet K16's as a waste of money, yet says removing the sound deadening is something you need to do?

So... You're assuming that everyone who gets into these cars has all the facts then?

 

Surely you are not suggesting that there are people who think they can upgrade turbos etc and not need a tune. No one is that naive. On the other hand, many do overlook things like needing a stronger clutch, IC's, etc.

 

IMO, every one of the listed mods is valuable in the correct driving situation and also in the correct sequence. Too many folks just hang stuff on the car that someone has claimed is helpful without regard to their particular goals or setup.
To put a simple yes/no by each mod is a grievous over-simplification and does nothing to clarify the misconceptions that are already out there.

IOW, you must do your own research and consult with reliable sources and individuals that understand how you are going to use the car as well as your goals and budget. The 996/997TT are one of the better modding platforms available but you must have a plan to be successful.

 

Basically what I said but in different context.

Everyone has different goals. Look at people's car you want most related to and ask them questions.

i.e. Me: Track/ Hardcore street mtn driving.
Goal: Go fast around bends, with break necking G lateral forces and braking.


One thing I forgot to add is.

I HATE those people whom post BS without any personal experience. What they feel/ think without disclosing their goals. Happens everyday. Glad I didn't listen to a lot of BS when modding my car.

 

There is a turbo car in Texas that the tuner told the owner that he did not need a re tune to run bigger turbos..

 

what tuner is that ? cuase thats just plain stupid..

 

Someone correct me if I am wrong here but wouldn't any turbo charged engine benefit from running as big of IC as possible? Don't they cool the air going into the engine? I thought that the colder the intake charge the better?

 

I see what you did there.