Spotted an interesting development from AEM, check this out!

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...-Encoding.aspx

AEM has a pretty nice datalog analyzer it seems and it's just gotten better for folks who track their cars from the looks of it.

 

Syvecs is the best stand-alone because I have one for sale in the marketplace section

Now getting serious I still consider the best options on the market to be Syvecs and maybe Motec even others made a lot of progress lately and they are also a bit cheaper, for a big build I wouldnt consider anything else, just my opinion..

 

Why exactly is the Syvecs better? No one has been able to articulate this to me. I've seen their software, looks like it's run on DOS. I'm sure it's flexible but so are others that are more comfortable to use. HOW exactly is it better? Have you used any of the others?

 

Dont want to get into a technical discussion standaloneX vs standaloneY, but let me tell you some FACTS about Syvecs

- Fastest 1/4 mile 911 ever runs Syvecs ... multiple 8.8s passes in the 1/4
- Leaving Eddie Bello's very light car I guess that 997tt tip holds the trap speed record in the 1/4 too..
- Fastest 1/2mile 911 ever
- Some of the fastest 60-130 are done with Syvecs... one example comes into my mind now 3.6s 60-130 on pump+meth...not racegas or E85 !!!!
- Fastest GT-Rs from all vendors run Syvecs, a few Motec - will include here AMS, Switzer..
- Fastest Lambo in the mile runs Syvecs
- Megion's 977tt car runs Syvecs and ran very well as a DD on 3.6+gt35 and did about 1500whp with last years setup
- Evoms crazy build with Sequential gearbox is using Syvecs S8
- A lot of professional road racing teams are using it
- Supports 997tt TIPs
- IT WORKS well for a lot of guys... and this are not words or marketing materials....
- almost if not ALL big tuners tune now Syvecs

A few of the things I like about
- safety trips
- advanced traction control
- rolling launch
- logging
- support for almost all high power cars, so just by changing wiring harness can be moved from one car to another, if not going to sell soon will move it to the gt-r

I've been into a 1800hp GT-R working very well and have seen also running a 1500hp 911 on Syvecs, lot of tuners dropping other stand-alones for one of these two - syvecs or motec.. dont want to give names, but they are here on these forums and they know better

Dont think Syvecs is like DOS maybe more like MacOS, anyway I dont mind one interface or the other and the most important thing is the CORE not the interface, these guys provide also iphone/ipad apps to monitor everything besides the regular sw

I am not going for a big build anymore and that's why selling mine, anyway even the stand-alone by itself might be cheaper from one producer to another, if we include also sensors, additional modules, tuning, other services the price gap between all of them is small and in the end is everybody's choice to go with one or the other.

The total cost of ownership and the benefits related to one standalone will vary also with car's setup and scope of build in the end.

I have no relationship or interest with any of these producers, distributors and I am by no means into automotive industry, this is just my personal opinion

 

So in a tech thread discussing various standalone EMS your response is I can't name any tech benefits but here's who's going fast and a number of features two other EMS share? There are a number of fast cars already on ProEFI and a couple moving to AEM, so what? Who's on what doesn't get me excited, tell me tech features that benefit the end user. Both AEM and ProEFI are supporting car after car so platform support is there for others too. What's the technical benefit to the end user or tuner? The only advantage I've seen for Syveccs so far has been online support - if I owned a VW. For Porsche all of them have little discussion in their support forums...

An iOS app for monitoring is nice but that's not going to sway my purchasing decision, it might others.

 

No, that's not it.Benefits will vary from one setup to another, from one driver to another. Depends on final goals for each of us and our setups.

For example as far as I know if you have 997tt TIP the only option is Syvecs to control the TCM, best 60ft for Porsche is also on Syvecs... does that mean they have the best LC on the market ? Maybe... and at least they have results... show me another 911tt that cracked on a regular basis 1.3x 60ft
But all of the standalones provide "advanced launch control" isnt it? Even on stock ECU we can do a 2step.. But how can we compare their effciiency otherwise but by results and not brochures?


I dont want to get into technical details because I dont want to proove anything to anybody, but wanted to say loud and clear my opinion (feel free to conisder it documented or uninitiated opinion), all producers have very well documented websites and they will tell their version of the story..but do they have data to back up their statements ?


PS read this, it got technical at some point as you requested and even the reps of each ECU chimed in the thread:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...w-results.html

 

I believe it's true the Syveccs is the only one running a Tip right now. Another differentiator is cruise control, AEM won't run it, ProEFI will, not sure on Syveccs.

I don't know that anyone is drag racing the 996 enough to say what launch control is "best" but there are videos of the ProEFI taming some pretty nasty turbo V8. Lots of strategies exist from timing to fuel-cut to even throttle pulling. Tuning for the right combination can be a serious hassle I'd bet, even a smooth 2-step can be a pain in my experience. Support ends up being a big differentiator and it's why I chose the system I did, time will tell if I've made the right call or not - I'll admit to some reservations!

Did read that thread when researching, as I recall there was some sniping and it spiraled down vs being an objective exchange. When someone spends this kind of money they tend to fight and defend their choice, it's also what they have the most experience with. Likewise tuners tend to specialize, they build up a library of tunes for a specific system that allow them to quickly tune a car and save time while making good money. I tune my own cars, and I'll tune this one after Garth does a base tune if it needs it. I'll be in the guts of it for sure and I expect to collect tons of data. I'll share what I learn and I wish there were more doing the same so we could actually do real comparisons....

Fwiw I'll be adding dual EGT and dual backpressure sensors to the standard setup. My size large intercooler will have inlet and outlet temp sensors wired to a gauge displaying temp drop, not logging this though but I'd like to. If I've got the I/O I want to do pressure drop on the other side at some point - more data needs to be collected and shared....

 

So I am in the AEM class at Titan and happen to have one of the top Porsche builders/tuners in the class. We'll be going through the lab portion tomorrow using my car as a test bed. I have no experience on Pro EFI or Syvecs but based on what I am hearing, this new Infinity system is very robust and can do everything those other systems can. I have to say that I am very impressed at how far they have gotten from their beginnings. Just as background, I had a Motec on my supra so I have played with a very reputable stand alone system.

If anyone has any questions, then let me know. I have the AEM Instructor and the Porsche Expert on hand to ask today (BTW, the Porsche Expert is not associated to AEM, he is just attending the class since like you all here, he has been hearing good things about the ecu).

More updates later today...

 

I'd honestly like to hear impressions about the hardware and the capabilities. I'd like to hear any information possible about the AWD controller and future plans - especially any plans about a display. AEM doesn't have cruise control but ProEFI does and I'm curious about that too. Impressions about the software ease of use and logging capabilities as well as log analysis is of interest. My main experience was AEM V1 on my Supra and my understanding was that AEM really improved things and had an awesome log analysis program - comparisons with Motec would be interesting. I, at least, am all ears to learn about this system

 

Not sure about your AWD question but I did ask yesterday about side traction as you take turns and I was told that it is adjustable since it utilizes al 4 wheel speed sensors.

They are coming with a new software upgrade in a couple of weeks but nothing on the cruise. The software fixes some minor bugs and implements some new features like ability to change metrics, i.e. kPA to PSI on all tables vs one by one.

The logging is great. You are able to customize the screens and even when undock tables and virtual gauges. This undocking features allow you to see particular data as you scroll through various tabs. It even allows you to dump all of the data onto the side to view on one screen and look at your data on the main tab. Cool feature when dyne tuning and have two screens to do this with. Sounds like you can setup through a wizard your basic engine variables and begin tuning pretty quickly. With the fact that we have a base stock map already calibrated for our cars then this is even simpler. Basically, I plug the AEM run through a setup wizard to calibrate some things like throttle position and start the car. The one drawback is that there aren't any time stamps on the logs, which would be helpful but not a deal breaker since when you have an issue you would typically check your logs right away. One good side is that it doesn't sound like the logs take a lot of memory so the 4Gb USB is more than enough memory. They are trying to work on a time stamp but no clue when that will come if ever.

Logging Video with the AEMData software . This is simply a logging tool software to view logs, whereas you would view and edit in Infinity Tuner. Obviously, you can select what you want to see and what not to log in order to save space in the file. There are hundreds of options of data to select.

As far as a display, I didn't hear of an option or plans but I can ask. One idea I had based on the IPAD mini install is installing a Windows Tablet on the console and possibly using that as a display. It would have more function than just an AEM display and serve the purpose.

 

Maybe it's just me these days, but I hate aggressive marketing, seen it on other forums too, same names... pretty nothing different than usual...

 

Just to be clear, I am a user and not "AEM affiliated". I just am providing feedback per the class that I am attending.

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding, nothing with you or Aem

 

Ask them about the AWD controller, it's there and it differentiates their product from others but I don't think it's been enabled yet. It's on the CAN bus on the pigtail attached to the ECU itself, I believe it's also got an igniter on the pigtail. I asked about using the 996 computer on a car retrofitted with the 997 front diff but it sounded like a firmware change might have to be done to control it fwiw Please do ping them about the CC as I think they need to hear there's some demand, likewise a display. Both Syveccs and ProEFI have aux displays at decent price points and it would be nice if they would support one too. Mounting a tablet could work but not in many situations, it's simply too big.

I appreciate the feedback on the class and on the experience setting up one of these systems from scratch. The more info the better. One of the reasons I've got a ProEFI waiting to go in was I could find so little information being shared. These systems are complicated and trying to learn one without working with others is pretty tough. We need more information sharing all around with all three systems. AEM has some good instructional videos on YouTube if you've not seen them.

 

I don't think they have CC instilled for any recent future. They are adding a rolling anti lag feature via the cruise settings for the upcoming software. I asked about the AWD feature but didn't get a reply as I am still a bit confused at your question. It was good to setup since it is a supported function. We were able to raise overall power/tq throughout the band of a reputable flash, which is to be expected from any ECU system. In regards to a display, they support many current displays out there, such as the motec dash unit.

I can tell you that Todd from Protomotive was pretty impressed with the ease of installation and tuning. Of course, he knows these cars like the back of his hand. He was in the class with me.

Right now, I need to fine tune some of the street drive ability, but it's just about there already.

As I play with the unit, then I'll report what I find. I'll stay in touch with Todd as well and get his input and report back his findings.