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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 02:33 AM
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That's cool Cary, I can appreciate that. Personally, I didn't care if my car was dirty or my spoiler was broken. In fact, I thought it was pretty cool that my car was all go, no show

The wheels are actually from Work Japan, but they are also a race wheel supplier (mostly to Japanese FIA GT teams) like BBS. BBS magnesium racing wheels are great, but I was concerned about the wheel being too brittle. My wheels are pretty light and they also can be ordered with a magnesium center, but I had my hesitations.

By the way, I really liked your widebody on your Turbo. Very clean and well done. This is something I would consider doing to my car as well.

The PCCB's are nice and due to its heat properties seemed to perform very well. However, I think my brake upgrade will be the 6-piston GT3 front and rear. I figure if it's good enough for the Cup cars, I can probably live with them too.
 
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 06:30 AM
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Cary,

You are correct about the dust covers. Regarding fit, I need to clarify. I have them on 18's. What I needed to do was change the offset to gain clearance. The brakes work great. I can stop 60-0 in just under ninty-six feet with my brake, tire and suspension combination.
 
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Originally posted by fredttx50
I ran 1.4 bar, don't know exact AFR's. Ran 100 gas. I got a TQ of 535 the day before the official shootout. I think the reason we got 507 was because we did 4-5 runs before Dan got the car to properly dyno. The car was not warmed up as it sat inside the garage all day. It was the first to dyno. The clutch kept slipping. It took lots of runs before we got it down. So after 4-5 hard runs, it might explain the numbers. We did learn from my car and Dan told all the drivers to drive and warm up the cars first.
Attached is Fred’s dyno from before the shootout. Just to clarify, Fred’s car was making 1.4 bar until about 5000 RPMS and it then tapers off to 1.25 bar. We tuned it that way for reliability. The Stage 4GTR program that Fred is had in his car for the event is our standard Stage 4GT race program that we have been selling and installing in cars throughout the world for over 6 months now. The Stage 4GT (street program) has been tuned on 91 octane and runs 1.4 bar in the midrange and tapers off to 1.2 bar at redline. The major difference in the stage 4GT and stage 4GTR is the race program has a much more aggressive timing map. When we sell a Stage 4GT tuning system, the customer gets an IBE chipswitch and has the option to select either program depending on their fuel quality and HP level.
 
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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 08:04 AM
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Stange how you guys are so worried about european car being upset since this whole shootout was started by a 6speed member
 
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Todd you can you post a graph of a Stage 5 Car?
 
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By the way, since some people seem to be misunderstanding my posts, I want to point out that I have nothing against Cargraphic. Hershel is a good guy and Wilber still has a close relationship with them.

I have a Cargraphic roof spoiler. In the past, we were running Cargraphic wheels, and Cargraphic front spoiler.

I agree that Cargraphic suspensions are quite good. My H&R suspension actually came from Cargraphic, and I have never had any of the problems that other H&R owners have had. No noise, no overly stiff ride, etc. etc. In addition, the car handles really well under many different circumstances. I guess the Cargraphic spec must be different than the standard H&R.

It looks like I should be considering their new double spring coilover setup as well as their extensive aerokit. Now that my car has no front spoiler lip, I am wanting their new front lip. I just wish they made a rear wing too.

I hope this clears up my position. If that Cargraphic car had my Turbo setup, it would have ran away with the event, including the beauty contest!
 
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 06:46 PM
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I am not trying to rain on anyone's sunny day. This is not a flame or disrespect to anyone. I understand after talking to someone who was there, the quarter mile was not conducted on a drag strip but with a radar gun. Those times would not be comparable with drag strip times.

1) There would be no reaction time included. (you would have to add time to compare)
2) A radar gun will not read when the car first moves, it takes several inches of movement. (you would have to add time to compare)
3) The gun reads final top speed while the strip averages the final some many feet. In other words the guns time will be about 5-7 mph faster than what could be recorded at a drag strip.

That would be much like a G Tech which will record a higher top mph (about 5 mph) than a drag strip would. The G Tech would start the instant you moved though. The G Tech also does not take into consideration reaction time.
 

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Old Dec 4, 2003 | 07:21 PM
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oh well, i guess the whole test was a fluke.

but i still think my car is faster than yours without NOS. Even if you add time to mine, my car is still a healthier amount faster than your best time.

but i guess we'll never know because your car is always living on the dyno and not the road
 
Old Dec 4, 2003 | 07:51 PM
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Hamann,

I didn't post the above as a comparison between our cars or say the test is a fluke. It was posted so readers stay informed and don't confuse radar gun times with quarter mile drag strip times. You can probably add about two tenths for reaction and another two or three tenths for delay in recording start if you want to compare them to drag strip times. I ran a 11.3 @ 126 mph drag strip time with ambient temperature of 102 degrees, track surface temperature of 135 degrees and a 12 mph head wind. The car was dyno'ed that morning at 572 hp (bulb problem). I am not making any excuses for that time back in May. That was what happened and I posted it.

There has been a few minor changes since then , and we a waiting for the new injectors to arrive. Probably run the dyno and quarter mile in January. Until then, enjoy, you da man.
 

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I might let her run one more time in Jan as well.. Up in Sacramento. I'll get a timeslip and stamp it to my sig
 
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sharkster,

Sounds like fun.
 
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Congratulations to all. I'm looking forward to reading the official results.

Hamann, let's meet up some time. I'd love to see how your car compares with mine. Sorry I couldn't make the shootout. I was in Aspen doing some racing with sticks in my hands and boards attached to my feet.
 
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I will be making some minor tweaks too as well as enjoying my car for canyon runs, commuting, and open road racing.

Sorry, but I don't feel like abusing my car in the quarter mile again. I think it's already proven itself.

By the way, from what I understand you are running BFG drag radials, which would give at least a .2-.5 second advantage over my Pilot Sport Cups
 
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I will be making some minor tweaks too as well as enjoying my car for canyon runs, commuting, and open road racing.

Sorry, but I don't feel like abusing my car in the quarter mile again. I think it's already proven itself.

By the way, from what I understand you are running BFG drag radials, which would give at least a .2-.5 second advantage over my Pilot Sport Cups
As well as he launched the car, I couldn't help thinking, "Yikes that poor clutch".
 
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Bill S, anytime my friend.

I think you will become a believer in ball bearing turbos!
 


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