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I don't know the actual cost but I know it's very close the same as PSS9. I'll try to get some cost but I know the solid mounts and bushings weren't all that crazy. I'm off for a while but will try to get some more info or contact him to post.
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Originally posted by msindi
Fred - ao if ur going to 18s can you keep the 8-pods??
Also, I might be getting rid of my PSS-9 soon....
Fred - ao if ur going to 18s can you keep the 8-pods??
Also, I might be getting rid of my PSS-9 soon....
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Maybe I'm not alone in my thoughts...
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.
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Originally posted by ColorChange
Tyson, Not poking anyone in the eye but Stage 4GT costs about $30k and seems to get close to your car, plus it's bolt on. What would I have to spend to duplicate the good things in your car (learn from your experience, not repeating your process)?
Tyson, Not poking anyone in the eye but Stage 4GT costs about $30k and seems to get close to your car, plus it's bolt on. What would I have to spend to duplicate the good things in your car (learn from your experience, not repeating your process)?
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Originally posted by Sorcerer
Maybe I'm not alone in my thoughts...
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.
Maybe I'm not alone in my thoughts...
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.
Sorcerer,
Well Said!! Couldn't have said it better!
Regarding 1/4 mile specs:
I also am curious to see the 60' times for the 1/4 mile runs. We can easily compensate true potential of the 11 second runs for cars, based on the 60' times. Does anyone have that data? A good launch can knock off 4 to 6 tenths of a second. IE: If fred's car had a 2.1 60' time, and say Sharky's had a 1.9 - right there would tell you Fred's would be capable of an 11.0 run.
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Originally posted by Sorcerer
Maybe I'm not alone in my thoughts...
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.
Maybe I'm not alone in my thoughts...
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition. Not only did the car perform well in the competition but it was driven around LA all weekend with no problems.. To me a Porsche is a vehicle that has always been percieved as the pinacle of automotive performance, not only for its power but for its reliability and its ability to dominate on race tracks all over the world. In my opinion the reason for tuning a Porsche is that from the factory the cars are set up for the average driver and sacrifices have been made inorder for the vehicles to pass strict government regulations (smog, noise, bumper height) By tuning your Porsche you should be extracting its maximum potential not taking away from its reliability and longevity. To put it simply anyone can turn up the boost or add nitrous, maybe the car will be fine for a day, a week, a month, but in 30 years will your turbo be in as good running order as the 356 that sits next to it? What I'm trying to say is, when modifying a Porsche you should be creating something unique that will stand the test of time, Porsches are not disposable super mass produced rice rockets and should not be treated as such. In my mind Quarter Mile times, dyno runs, seeing how much boost you can get before creating a very expensive german time bomb is meaningless. Porsche's are a vehicle intended to dominate on the race track and be able to bring you home without any trouble. It is wonderful that all of these Tuners came together to showcase their vehicles and tuning methods, but The true keeper of the Porsche spirit is the CarGraphic vehicle built and set up by one of our generations great automotive intellectuals Bobby Singh of Manhattan Motorsports, his talent and CarGraphics high-quality products culminated into the vehicle that I feel truly dominated this event.
Uhhhh... you may want to state your affiliation with Cargraphic or Manhattan Motorsports.
Or get your head out of their ***.
Wilber used to work for Cargraphic and opened up their west coast region. We know all about them. They make great products, I use a lot of their great products.
The Cargraphic car was very nice but it is completely unfair to say that it unilaterally dominated the event. FYI, Cargraphic does its engine tuning through RS Tuning in Germany, which is ok. The suspension is a double spring coilover from H&R, which sounds like a vast improvement over the standard coilovers.
Do you really think this board is stupid enough to believe that you are not affiliated with Manhattan Motorsports? Your statement reeks of a spam.
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Originally posted by Cary Eisenlohr
Fred,
As far as the suspension, call the guys at Hartman. If you have a chance to ask Cort which car handled the best he'll tell you that there car was by far the easiest most responsive car on the track. I guess he also said if it had tires on it, regardless of the power, that car would have been the fastest at the track event. They have the Single adjustable JRZ, their own springs and anti roll bars. Then the had full mono ball suspension, adjustable upper A-arm and soild mounts for the drag links and few other things too. Go down and I"m sure they will let you drive the car.
Fred,
As far as the suspension, call the guys at Hartman. If you have a chance to ask Cort which car handled the best he'll tell you that there car was by far the easiest most responsive car on the track. I guess he also said if it had tires on it, regardless of the power, that car would have been the fastest at the track event. They have the Single adjustable JRZ, their own springs and anti roll bars. Then the had full mono ball suspension, adjustable upper A-arm and soild mounts for the drag links and few other things too. Go down and I"m sure they will let you drive the car.
If you want the best suspension, the guy to go to is Loren Beggs of 911 Design. He has multiple Tribute to Le Mans victories to back up his credibility.
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Originally posted by Sorcerer
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition.
The Car Graphics Turbo had the fastest lap time on the road course. In my mind this leaves them as the winner of the competition.
I think I tend to agree, while some of the other cars had strong points, the Car Graphic car was the most balanced overall from what I'd heard and saw. 1/4 mile and top speed (if they were to do that) are always fun but in the big picture says little about the over all picture. Don't get me wrong because I don't think there is a person here that wouldn't want the bragging rights of a 10 sec 1/4 car and it's no mystry that it takes serious HP to do that but, if that's all we want ... well, there's already street legal door slammers out there doing 7's. These are still Porsche's and while their history is almost all based on racing, I can't remember Porsche AG ever entering a Drag race. Don't start making me think V8 George was going the right direction damn it!
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No the Cargraphic car had a double spring H&R coilover setup. The JIC was on the By Design car.
If Loren had setup my measly little H&R old school suspension, and my front lip wasn't half gone, there is no way in hell the Cargraphic car would have beaten me.
On the Willow Springs big track, it wouldn't even be a contest, and you know it!
You can hate on my car all you want, but it's still the fastest.
If Loren had setup my measly little H&R old school suspension, and my front lip wasn't half gone, there is no way in hell the Cargraphic car would have beaten me.
On the Willow Springs big track, it wouldn't even be a contest, and you know it!
You can hate on my car all you want, but it's still the fastest.
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Sour Grapes... Take a nice ride up to napa valley, buy a case of wine, enjoy the ride home in your mechanical creation. After this has been accomplished sit back, drink your wine from the finest glassware available to you and contomplate the meaning and great signifigance of your participation in this activity which was a momentous occasion for the sub-culture to which you belong...