evo SC vs. tpc SC
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LOLOLOLOL ya.... i thought so 
here's a little tid bit. go to PAGE 3 and see what Viken had to say
here's a little tid bit. go to PAGE 3 and see what Viken had to say
Originally posted by 1999Porsche911
I own a few houses too. Do I have to have pictures to prove it. How about proving I have children? Need pictures too? If I show you a picture of the GT3, are you going to doubt that I have an engine it it? Or that it doesn't run? Sorry, but I have no interest in proving anything to anyone. If you're not interested in my advice and/or opinions or think I am wrong, then either don't read it or come up with some reasonable alternative view.
And that's 2000 Drag races with 2 National Trophies. LOL!
This is really eating you up, isn't it?? LOL. I'm through with this thread.
I own a few houses too. Do I have to have pictures to prove it. How about proving I have children? Need pictures too? If I show you a picture of the GT3, are you going to doubt that I have an engine it it? Or that it doesn't run? Sorry, but I have no interest in proving anything to anyone. If you're not interested in my advice and/or opinions or think I am wrong, then either don't read it or come up with some reasonable alternative view.
And that's 2000 Drag races with 2 National Trophies. LOL!
This is really eating you up, isn't it?? LOL. I'm through with this thread.
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Originally posted by deputydog95
So Nik, who do you work for? All those rude comments, personal attacks, and technical claims.... The least you could do is tell us your credentials.
So Nik, who do you work for? All those rude comments, personal attacks, and technical claims.... The least you could do is tell us your credentials.
Originally posted by deputydog95 You really represented for all the Britts with that one 
Originally posted by deputydog95
We still haven't heard back from 1999 on the identities of his race victims or how he did his data aquistion on the intake temps. Shocker. By the way, the European Car article said the TPC kit intake temps stayed consistent with ambient temps. You must have a better data aquisition method than they do [/B]
We still haven't heard back from 1999 on the identities of his race victims or how he did his data aquistion on the intake temps. Shocker. By the way, the European Car article said the TPC kit intake temps stayed consistent with ambient temps. You must have a better data aquisition method than they do
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The only thing left now, is for DOG to proclaim himself as a supercharger guru.
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First off Nick, go **** yourself. I hate to getnasty, but you kind of pissed me off. We're having a nice discussion going on here. It's all about learning. And I'm willing to listen to anyone on here that has info to offer. Why are you being such a ****? I have no idea who you are and you're being kind of ***** for a guy with 8 posts. What's up with attacking me personally? Feel free to say my info is bull****, but now you're going to talk about my intelligence and my ability to own a Pcar. And that comment about me lacking a basic human ability...what the **** was that? Again, go **** yourself. Yeah, I saw how many posts you had and assume you joined this october. I made an assumption without looking at the year. My bad. I didn't realize you were lurking.
And Frankly Sharky, I'm surprised you'd be so supportive of someone being incredibly rude for no reason to another forum member. I haven't thrown personal attacks out to anyone here. All I've done is ask questions and relay information whether you think it's right or wrong. All we've done is point/coutner point stuff on here. Funny how some people go crazy on here when it comes to a forum sponsor. I realize that you people make a lot of money on EVO products and you're trying to keep food on the table, but EVO isn't the be all, end all.
You obiously have some sort of affiliation with EVO or derive some sort of income from their products. I don't really care either way. However, you should try not be such an ******* with your information delivery. So, being the expert on the matter that you are, who do you work for?
First off, I never said the EVO kit was bad. How am I putting them in a bad light? I've said several times that I'd make my final decision after I ride in the EVO. I also said that I would buy the EVO kit if I liked the way it performed. So how am I ripping on their product if I'm considering chunking out 13K to have one installed??? I have not been in an EVO car yet. From the charts, the power of EVO appears to be peaky like a turbo. However,riding in it is the true test. Both kits have their disadvantages. I am the first one to say that based on the dyno charts, I don't care for their power delivery. Other than that, I'm sure it's a good quality kit. I've said all along that it boils down to personal preference. All I've done is explain why TPC does what they do with their kits. I even said in a post that if EVO went with a roots blower, i would probalby go that route.
I'm going to try and keep this brief. Try anyway
I never said the 7th injector setup was better than replacement injectors. All I said was that they tried both, and the 7th injector works better with their particular setup. I'm sure the replacement injectors work great on the EVO kit. If they happened to work well with the TPC system, I'm sure TPC would have gone that route. Not sure where that hinting thing you talked about came from. I never hinted at anything.
Next, you're full of **** about the CEL on the EVO kit. It does come on from time to time. It does on the TPC too. I've seen people on here post about it.
I never said that the piggy back ecu and the 7th injector was more advanced than flashing or 6 upgraded injectors. don't know where that came from either. I still don't see the problem with a piggy back ecu. High performance motorcyles do this all the time (power commanders and cobra fi modules). Nobody seems to ***** about how they work. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but if these fuel management piggy back units work on high performance bikes, why wouldn't they work on our cars? Probably my ignorance kicking in again. Sorry. That's why I'm hear asking questions about these kits.
I never said that you had to drill a hole in the engine to get an oil feed. I have seen enough pics of the EVO install and am quite aware of how the line is connected. Did I say you needed to drill a hole? Maybe you misunderstood, but when I said said tap, I mean use the engine's oil supply. Like tapping into an electrical circuit. On the same note, tell me how the TPC unit is going to have the same problem as the EVO unit when it comes to the oil feed line being severed. There have already been a couple EVO oil feed line failures on here. I'm not making that **** up. Probably bad install.... The TPC unit is self contained and even if it were to leak oil, at least you're not losing the engine oil.
i like how you only partially quote me up there about the tuning portion. nice. you failed to also quote that i said a couple like EVO/GIAC can really fine tune it and get the max HP out of product. i've been around hipo bikes for a long time. custom mapping is pretty common. they're fuel injected too, and they dont get their panties in a bunch when it come to programming. i know people that are running turbo and nitrous bikes with custom piggy back ecu programming. nobody i know has grenaded their bikes using this mapping. there are probably at least a dozen tuners in central FL that do custom mapping on the dyno. as i said before, maybe i'm oversimpifying it and comparing apples to oranges. i could see the programming to be very complex if it involved turbo boost management, but it seems to be mostly fuel maps in the SC application.
i'm still waiting to hear about 1999's data aquitsion on the intake temps and the names of the people he raced.
if the TPC kit is such a piece of low tech ****, then why does the owner of foreign affairs have one on his personal car?
how come nobody questions 1999 comments about his intake temp data aquisition. oh wait, cause he's using a forum sponsored product.
i'm willing to listen to anything you have to say. just say it nicely. we can all learn from this stuff. and if you're the expert you say you are, you could be a valuable forum member.
First off Nick, go **** yourself. I hate to getnasty, but you kind of pissed me off. We're having a nice discussion going on here. It's all about learning. And I'm willing to listen to anyone on here that has info to offer. Why are you being such a ****? I have no idea who you are and you're being kind of ***** for a guy with 8 posts. What's up with attacking me personally? Feel free to say my info is bull****, but now you're going to talk about my intelligence and my ability to own a Pcar. And that comment about me lacking a basic human ability...what the **** was that? Again, go **** yourself. Yeah, I saw how many posts you had and assume you joined this october. I made an assumption without looking at the year. My bad. I didn't realize you were lurking.
And Frankly Sharky, I'm surprised you'd be so supportive of someone being incredibly rude for no reason to another forum member. I haven't thrown personal attacks out to anyone here. All I've done is ask questions and relay information whether you think it's right or wrong. All we've done is point/coutner point stuff on here. Funny how some people go crazy on here when it comes to a forum sponsor. I realize that you people make a lot of money on EVO products and you're trying to keep food on the table, but EVO isn't the be all, end all.
You obiously have some sort of affiliation with EVO or derive some sort of income from their products. I don't really care either way. However, you should try not be such an ******* with your information delivery. So, being the expert on the matter that you are, who do you work for?
First off, I never said the EVO kit was bad. How am I putting them in a bad light? I've said several times that I'd make my final decision after I ride in the EVO. I also said that I would buy the EVO kit if I liked the way it performed. So how am I ripping on their product if I'm considering chunking out 13K to have one installed??? I have not been in an EVO car yet. From the charts, the power of EVO appears to be peaky like a turbo. However,riding in it is the true test. Both kits have their disadvantages. I am the first one to say that based on the dyno charts, I don't care for their power delivery. Other than that, I'm sure it's a good quality kit. I've said all along that it boils down to personal preference. All I've done is explain why TPC does what they do with their kits. I even said in a post that if EVO went with a roots blower, i would probalby go that route.
I'm going to try and keep this brief. Try anyway
I never said the 7th injector setup was better than replacement injectors. All I said was that they tried both, and the 7th injector works better with their particular setup. I'm sure the replacement injectors work great on the EVO kit. If they happened to work well with the TPC system, I'm sure TPC would have gone that route. Not sure where that hinting thing you talked about came from. I never hinted at anything.
Next, you're full of **** about the CEL on the EVO kit. It does come on from time to time. It does on the TPC too. I've seen people on here post about it.
I never said that the piggy back ecu and the 7th injector was more advanced than flashing or 6 upgraded injectors. don't know where that came from either. I still don't see the problem with a piggy back ecu. High performance motorcyles do this all the time (power commanders and cobra fi modules). Nobody seems to ***** about how they work. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but if these fuel management piggy back units work on high performance bikes, why wouldn't they work on our cars? Probably my ignorance kicking in again. Sorry. That's why I'm hear asking questions about these kits.
I never said that you had to drill a hole in the engine to get an oil feed. I have seen enough pics of the EVO install and am quite aware of how the line is connected. Did I say you needed to drill a hole? Maybe you misunderstood, but when I said said tap, I mean use the engine's oil supply. Like tapping into an electrical circuit. On the same note, tell me how the TPC unit is going to have the same problem as the EVO unit when it comes to the oil feed line being severed. There have already been a couple EVO oil feed line failures on here. I'm not making that **** up. Probably bad install.... The TPC unit is self contained and even if it were to leak oil, at least you're not losing the engine oil.
i like how you only partially quote me up there about the tuning portion. nice. you failed to also quote that i said a couple like EVO/GIAC can really fine tune it and get the max HP out of product. i've been around hipo bikes for a long time. custom mapping is pretty common. they're fuel injected too, and they dont get their panties in a bunch when it come to programming. i know people that are running turbo and nitrous bikes with custom piggy back ecu programming. nobody i know has grenaded their bikes using this mapping. there are probably at least a dozen tuners in central FL that do custom mapping on the dyno. as i said before, maybe i'm oversimpifying it and comparing apples to oranges. i could see the programming to be very complex if it involved turbo boost management, but it seems to be mostly fuel maps in the SC application.
i'm still waiting to hear about 1999's data aquitsion on the intake temps and the names of the people he raced.
if the TPC kit is such a piece of low tech ****, then why does the owner of foreign affairs have one on his personal car?
how come nobody questions 1999 comments about his intake temp data aquisition. oh wait, cause he's using a forum sponsored product.
i'm willing to listen to anything you have to say. just say it nicely. we can all learn from this stuff. and if you're the expert you say you are, you could be a valuable forum member.
It's just forum chatter and there's no need to get crazy...
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i have a TPC S/C and as far as intake temps i think its plus 15f to 20F rom outside temps at least thats what my AutoTap Diagnostic Scan Tool reads. but if that is at the MAS then thats before the SC. so im not sure how to read that temp. and i think that the 7th injector is something they used in the old 930 turbos
im not sure but i think that i read that somewhere. so porsche has used it before. i don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape on this subject. if you like one system over the other then buy the one you want. i bought TPC to be a little different and the fact that they are close to where i live. no system is fool proof they will all have their problems. if they were so fool proof they would be OEM on the car. i have had small issues with my system but nothing major. EVO kits are put together well theres no doubt that. i have never rode in an EVO S/C car but i have seen one dyno'ed next to mine. did i try to race the guy hell no what would be the point. it's not about who is the better racer it's about enjoying the car and what you have done to it.
im not sure but i think that i read that somewhere. so porsche has used it before. i don't know why people are getting so bent out of shape on this subject. if you like one system over the other then buy the one you want. i bought TPC to be a little different and the fact that they are close to where i live. no system is fool proof they will all have their problems. if they were so fool proof they would be OEM on the car. i have had small issues with my system but nothing major. EVO kits are put together well theres no doubt that. i have never rode in an EVO S/C car but i have seen one dyno'ed next to mine. did i try to race the guy hell no what would be the point. it's not about who is the better racer it's about enjoying the car and what you have done to it.
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Nik: Your resume sounds impressive. With a background like that, I'm sure we all could learn a few things from you. Seriously, not breaking ***** here. I'm sure you're a very bright guy in your field. Your delivery could use a little work though.
I'm still not sure where the whole Iraq thing comes into play...That came out of left field. What do SC's have to do with combat overseas? I guess since I don't understand where you're going with that, I won't shut the **** up
If I said it once, I've said it a thousand times. THE EVO KIT IS A REALLY GOOD KIT!!! See , I said it. Again. Geees. I know you guys make money off EVO sales, but relax a little. I've seen a TPC in person. It's got 25K on the clock and 12K on the SC. Runs like a champ. Apparently it's not the piece of **** you think it is. It's just a different way of doing it. The car ran fine and hasn't exploded yet
Nope, not going to proclaim myself a guru. Never have, never will, at least in this area. Now if you want to talk about complex narcotics investigations, I can probably hold my own there without having to rely on someone else to give me the info
I'm just a hobbyist . I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel or earn a living doing this. Not sure why you made that sarcastic "guru" comment, as I don't think I've accused you of lying or spreading misinformation. Nor have I said any of your info is false. Once again, I've said it before, just relaying information I've gotten from the builder or from information I've gotten from the rags. I've seen the car in person and ridden in it. The package seems to work just fine.
Who knows, maybe 1999 does have the free time?
Sharky: No worries. It's just that we can discuss this without insulting each other. I know EVO is a sponsor here, so it gets a little sensitive. Is it really necessary for people to get personal? Nik is still doing it. He just doesn't get it. Then again, he's got less than 10 posts so maybe he's still learning forum manners
How many poeple here that are chiming in on this conversation have actually ridden in both cars, or even just the TPC? If so, who's TPC car was it and what do you think?
I'm still not sure where the whole Iraq thing comes into play...That came out of left field. What do SC's have to do with combat overseas? I guess since I don't understand where you're going with that, I won't shut the **** up
If I said it once, I've said it a thousand times. THE EVO KIT IS A REALLY GOOD KIT!!! See , I said it. Again. Geees. I know you guys make money off EVO sales, but relax a little. I've seen a TPC in person. It's got 25K on the clock and 12K on the SC. Runs like a champ. Apparently it's not the piece of **** you think it is. It's just a different way of doing it. The car ran fine and hasn't exploded yet
Nope, not going to proclaim myself a guru. Never have, never will, at least in this area. Now if you want to talk about complex narcotics investigations, I can probably hold my own there without having to rely on someone else to give me the info
I'm just a hobbyist . I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel or earn a living doing this. Not sure why you made that sarcastic "guru" comment, as I don't think I've accused you of lying or spreading misinformation. Nor have I said any of your info is false. Once again, I've said it before, just relaying information I've gotten from the builder or from information I've gotten from the rags. I've seen the car in person and ridden in it. The package seems to work just fine.
Who knows, maybe 1999 does have the free time?
Sharky: No worries. It's just that we can discuss this without insulting each other. I know EVO is a sponsor here, so it gets a little sensitive. Is it really necessary for people to get personal? Nik is still doing it. He just doesn't get it. Then again, he's got less than 10 posts so maybe he's still learning forum manners
How many poeple here that are chiming in on this conversation have actually ridden in both cars, or even just the TPC? If so, who's TPC car was it and what do you think?
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Checked out the VF site. very nice! I have a question though. It may be obvious, however I am clueless. It looks like VF makes some of the parts for the Evo kit Correct? Anyway I see that VF offers other centrifugal SC'ers for other makes VW & BMW. So my question is why are the BMW and VW kits$3500-$5000 and the 996 is $10,000? The installations appear to be the same (Maybe I am wrong) Are there additional expensive parts that the 996 needs that the Jetta does not?
Or is this another example of price gouging because of the brand?
Or is this another example of price gouging because of the brand?
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I'll let Nik give you the official answer, but what I was told from both EVO and TPC is that it's very expensive to develop the kit and they just don't sell enough of them to be able to offer them at a lower price point. They can make up there their R&D cost for other cars due to the fact that they sells hundreds of kits.
Niether one said this, but I'm sure that the fact that it's a part for 100K car bumps the price up a bit as well
what kind of SC did you have on the 968?
I'll let Nik give you the official answer, but what I was told from both EVO and TPC is that it's very expensive to develop the kit and they just don't sell enough of them to be able to offer them at a lower price point. They can make up there their R&D cost for other cars due to the fact that they sells hundreds of kits.
Niether one said this, but I'm sure that the fact that it's a part for 100K car bumps the price up a bit as well
what kind of SC did you have on the 968?
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Same blower Evo uses and the parts did not cost anything close to the $10K Not even half and I was running a larger intercooler. I was very involved with the process so I am well aware of what goes into it. At $10K a pop everyone who has particpated in the R&D has been paid well. These kits should cost around $5-6K it's a shame we stand for this... although If I keep my 996 it will get SC'ed and I like Evo... If they sold them for $5K they would sell 3-5X as many as this opens up a whole new market and the buyers would not blink at that price tag where as $10K it is a bit of a hard pill to swallow.
and the parts did not cost anything close to the $10K Not even half and I was running a larger intercooler. I was very involved with the process so I am well aware of what goes into it. At $10K a pop everyone who has particpated in the R&D has been paid well. These kits should cost around $5-6K it's a shame we stand for this... although If I keep my 996 it will get SC'ed and I like Evo... If they sold them for $5K they would sell 3-5X as many as this opens up a whole new market and the buyers would not blink at that price tag where as $10K it is a bit of a hard pill to swallow.
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Originally posted by deputydog95
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...I'll let Nik give you the official answer, but what I was told from both EVO and TPC is that it's very expensive to develop the kit and they just don't sell enough of them to be able to offer them at a lower price point.....
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...I'll let Nik give you the official answer, but what I was told from both EVO and TPC is that it's very expensive to develop the kit and they just don't sell enough of them to be able to offer them at a lower price point.....
---1999 will keep proclaiming his 3.4L 996 the fastest SC'ed 911 on earth (a joke!
)---EVO reps will post to add a piece of info on there kit to help "push" their product/sales.
---Others without ever owning a TPC SC or visiting the TPC factory (like "1999Porsche911") will keep downing the "other" (TPC) kit simply becuase its NOT the one they spent $13,000 for.....how ***STUPID*** would these people look if the TPC SC'ed kit *proved* to be pound for pound faster than the EVO kit....its an ego thing deputydog, has nothing to do with facts or logical. Unless you were there in person to slam one of these punks in there centri-SC's with a video to catch it they will be keyboard warriors to the death***
---PM's are your friend, i find people are a lot more friendly and TRUTHFUL when you address them directly and they don't have to worry about being flamed by TROLLS on this board. (i.e. the many EVO SC owners whom spoke negatively of THEIR kit and some subsequently had them removed***)
...God bless you all, as soon as I can "hack" the $13,000 (installed) I will visit TPC and have them install and tuned their last SC kit on my 3.6L C2 (W/ the 3rd radiator upgrade and a couple more extra's) I'm looking for 420-440 RWHP when's all said and done. Everyone has their own reasons as to why they purchase a $13,000 mod....mine is simply to have the *FASTEST* outright speed/acceleration money can buy for an N/A 996...I believe based on ALL the facts I've seen TPC is the answer. Thanks.
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Originally posted by Kevin D
...i.e. the many EVO SC owners whom spoke negatively of THEIR kit and some subsequently had them removed...
...i.e. the many EVO SC owners whom spoke negatively of THEIR kit and some subsequently had them removed...
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beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep --- wait, I can hear all these people trying to back their *** up. This thread has turned into a true flame contest. 
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So I'm driving down this street see. I pull up to two porsches trying to out do each other yelling something to each other about SC this and SC that. we're all going 'bout a buck on the ticker. I don't say a god damn thing as I fly by in my C6 like they are standing still. Thank god for true American V8 muscle baby. I even let out a big fart 'cause I just ate me some German techno beans. You know the kind they have over at Taco Bell - half uncooked.