I would think that with your confidence that the TPC 996 would beat me, you could get all sorts of investors lined up willing to front you the money for the system?? I mean, what a quick, guaranteed return on your investment. I mean, you make it sound like such a sure thing, I don't understand why you are hesitating.

Or maybe it's because you are relying on what a piece of paper shows, or what someone elses exaggerated review is? You can make a power graph show anything you want and you also can control alot of environmental variables that your cannot control on the street.

For me, the whole point of this thread is to weed out fiction from fact. If you want to listen to the fiction from people who have no actual expereince in the subject, then expect to be disappointed. Only YOU can decide which system provides you with the performance you are looking for.

It's such a nice day here, I'm going out for a drive......

 

Hey Sharkey...I can type faster than you so I win!!!!!

 

I can **** further than anyone here by choking it and letting it loose all at once -hmmm kinda like the EVO process. Only problem when I do that is that at some point my johnson is going to hurt - kinda like the P engine would when put to that kind of high end, all of the sudden power. Oh well, to each his own I guess. As for me, I agree, it is a nice day. I'm taking my tricycle out and see if I can make it around the block without scraping my knees against the handle bar.

This is one great topic. Kevin, please keep us informed when you do take the plunge.

 

Why not? Adding an additional fuel injector to your ducting for fuel management is what one would expect from a $1800 bolt on toyota FI kit. For one to believe on hearsay that a spliced on 7th fuel injector is superior to 6 larger injectors which have been matched to a bigger MAF housing explains that one still has a lot to learn. Running a BOSCH designed engine management system with 1 extra fuel injector driven by fixed maps programmed into a black box is like running your gasoline engine on diesel. The car is not designed for that, so why do you want to add an injector? You say that TPC prefered to run a 7th injector and you hint that it is better! It makes more sense to infer that TPC could not create fuel management for 6 larger injectors and thats why they chose the short cut with a crude add on injector. Adding an injector onto an FI kit on Porsche 996 is the best way to disrupt the fuel atomization pattern of the OEM injectors and cause some cylinders to run rich and other to run lean. On a race track where you are 90% of the time on WOT it does not matter to much. On the street, when you have 120 customers driving in all different conditions your car will eventually run like a donkey. The EVO kits do not cause check engine lights like you imply. There are so many aftermarket bolt-ons that people run with the supercharger that there can be incompatibility issues. Kind of like running 2 different anti virus softwares on your PC. However EVO always steps in and clarified issues. It seems DOG is adding a lot of conjecture to put EVO in bad light, but the comments he makes are clearly very loose and set out to give a "jab inthe ribs". He has a lot of information gathering to perform or he his posts are contrived and pre-conceived. Reading DOGs posts are like reading a science fiction.


You definitely have a lot of fact gathering to do seeing that you could not read that i joined this board 2 years ago. I have a lot of specific knowledge about EVO, GIAC and TPC products as I have worked on many products and create FI kits using both types of supercharger units.

TPC is not CARB approved to my knowledge. EVO like all other aftermarket cos. have to go through a lot of red tape and bureaucracy during the EO approval process.


You are right. The Vortech method of using engine oil to lubricate it, is very reliable. You do not "tap" into the oil system or drill anything to return the oil to the sump. You unscrew a spare oil cap on the head and screw in a adapter and oil-line. For the drain you unscrew a block cap on the block and screw a return fitting into it.

Did you know that Magnusson who are the only company aftermarket companys can officially buy Eaton units from, gives very little support to the aftermarket. Vortech on the other hand is about twice the size of a company than Magnusson. Vortech units do not need any maintenance other than cleaning the oil feed nozzle once a year.




The TPC kits will have similar relative problems if they are also improperly fitted. So what is the point in your comments. You are just dispensing dirt.


what ! you really show your level of knowledge in that comment.
I think you deserve a TPC kit. EVO would probably not sell you one anyway.

 

I love it when Nik puts the smack DOWN... Just like a fellow-Brit

I have to agree with the last statement.. On an ECU as complex as Porsche's Bosch Motronic the last thing you want to do is go "PiggyBack" and "lie" per se. Think about all the wonderful satefy element and knock supression that you would be over-riding On the 966TT side, look what happened with the UNICHIP piggyback stuff....

 

ROFL!

I can do 120 WPM!!!

 

This is turning out to be a good thread- I too have been contemplating doing EVO or TPC, but haven't decided. I know from talking to EVO, that they have a pulley option that runs the boost to 7lbs instead of 6, which makes more power than what the charts show- may even help out the low and midrange? I haven't driven either one, though that would probably make the decision easier.
In addition to the money, what makes me hesitant is there are no installers in Vegas. They both said I would have to take the car to AZ or CA and leave it for a week or two. Does it really take that long to install?
Also, pardon my ignorance but does CARB affect California only? So they are both emissions legal for all other 49 states?
If theres anyone here in Vegas who has either system I would love to check it out in person...

 

I dont know how someone (DOG) with the intelligence to have a standard of living which includes owning a 996 Porsche can come out with so much un-intelligent information.

To believe that a bluff box and 7th injector are as technically advanced as ECU flash tuning implies you cant see right from wrong- even though it is a fundamental basic human ability.

I think we should get a word out of the Editor of European Car. The roots Boxster supercharger kit blew up his mint Boxster and he received no help or customer service. This bare-bone fact, not hearsay. You can even read hints of this in his editorial on the inside cover from a couple of months ago.

 

I heard about that Boxster Sad indeed!!!

Anyways bring out that fancy-looking Cayenne SC kit! Looked great at the show...

 

seriously, if i am going to track the car then i want the engine comparment/engine not to overheat. removing the fan will increase the possibility , on the track AND the street. if porsche didn't think it was needed then it wouldn't be there in the first place.

 

First off Nick, go **** yourself. I hate to getnasty, but you kind of pissed me off. We're having a nice discussion going on here. It's all about learning. And I'm willing to listen to anyone on here that has info to offer. Why are you being such a ****? I have no idea who you are and you're being kind of ***** for a guy with 8 posts. What's up with attacking me personally? Feel free to say my info is bull****, but now you're going to talk about my intelligence and my ability to own a Pcar. And that comment about me lacking a basic human ability...what the **** was that? Again, go **** yourself. Yeah, I saw how many posts you had and assume you joined this october. I made an assumption without looking at the year. My bad. I didn't realize you were lurking.

And Frankly Sharky, I'm surprised you'd be so supportive of someone being incredibly rude for no reason to another forum member. I haven't thrown personal attacks out to anyone here. All I've done is ask questions and relay information whether you think it's right or wrong. All we've done is point/coutner point stuff on here. Funny how some people go crazy on here when it comes to a forum sponsor. I realize that you people make a lot of money on EVO products and you're trying to keep food on the table, but EVO isn't the be all, end all.


You obiously have some sort of affiliation with EVO or derive some sort of income from their products. I don't really care either way. However, you should try not be such an ******* with your information delivery. So, being the expert on the matter that you are, who do you work for?

First off, I never said the EVO kit was bad. How am I putting them in a bad light? I've said several times that I'd make my final decision after I ride in the EVO. I also said that I would buy the EVO kit if I liked the way it performed. So how am I ripping on their product if I'm considering chunking out 13K to have one installed??? I have not been in an EVO car yet. From the charts, the power of EVO appears to be peaky like a turbo. However,riding in it is the true test. Both kits have their disadvantages. I am the first one to say that based on the dyno charts, I don't care for their power delivery. Other than that, I'm sure it's a good quality kit. I've said all along that it boils down to personal preference. All I've done is explain why TPC does what they do with their kits. I even said in a post that if EVO went with a roots blower, i would probalby go that route.

I'm going to try and keep this brief. Try anyway

I never said the 7th injector setup was better than replacement injectors. All I said was that they tried both, and the 7th injector works better with their particular setup. I'm sure the replacement injectors work great on the EVO kit. If they happened to work well with the TPC system, I'm sure TPC would have gone that route. Not sure where that hinting thing you talked about came from. I never hinted at anything.

Next, you're full of **** about the CEL on the EVO kit. It does come on from time to time. It does on the TPC too. I've seen people on here post about it.

I never said that the piggy back ecu and the 7th injector was more advanced than flashing or 6 upgraded injectors. don't know where that came from either. I still don't see the problem with a piggy back ecu. High performance motorcyles do this all the time (power commanders and cobra fi modules). Nobody seems to ***** about how they work. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but if these fuel management piggy back units work on high performance bikes, why wouldn't they work on our cars? Probably my ignorance kicking in again. Sorry. That's why I'm hear asking questions about these kits.

I never said that you had to drill a hole in the engine to get an oil feed. I have seen enough pics of the EVO install and am quite aware of how the line is connected. Did I say you needed to drill a hole? Maybe you misunderstood, but when I said said tap, I mean use the engine's oil supply. Like tapping into an electrical circuit. On the same note, tell me how the TPC unit is going to have the same problem as the EVO unit when it comes to the oil feed line being severed. There have already been a couple EVO oil feed line failures on here. I'm not making that **** up. Probably bad install.... The TPC unit is self contained and even if it were to leak oil, at least you're not losing the engine oil.

i like how you only partially quote me up there about the tuning portion. nice. you failed to also quote that i said a couple like EVO/GIAC can really fine tune it and get the max HP out of product. i've been around hipo bikes for a long time. custom mapping is pretty common. they're fuel injected too, and they dont get their panties in a bunch when it come to programming. i know people that are running turbo and nitrous bikes with custom piggy back ecu programming. nobody i know has grenaded their bikes using this mapping. there are probably at least a dozen tuners in central FL that do custom mapping on the dyno. as i said before, maybe i'm oversimpifying it and comparing apples to oranges. i could see the programming to be very complex if it involved turbo boost management, but it seems to be mostly fuel maps in the SC application.

i'm still waiting to hear about 1999's data aquitsion on the intake temps and the names of the people he raced.

if the TPC kit is such a piece of low tech ****, then why does the owner of foreign affairs have one on his personal car?

how come nobody questions 1999 comments about his intake temp data aquisition. oh wait, cause he's using a forum sponsored product.

i'm willing to listen to anything you have to say. just say it nicely. we can all learn from this stuff. and if you're the expert you say you are, you could be a valuable forum member.

 

Alex, that must be 120 WipesPerMinute

I've seen you type. I can type with 2 thumbs faster than you can with 10 fingers

 

I've learned one thing on this board is to "Take what you want and Leave the rest" As far as the intake cooling here is a link to the vortech site:

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...oler_paper.pdf

I am not pushing one system or the other just info, I thought that originally that the roots style was a air to air cooler and heat is a killer of HP and longevity, hell I should know I live in Phoenix and in the summer I feel I could die at any time. If the roots is water to air then I would be helpful to know what type of cooler and how many cores it has, does it use fans to cool a 3rd rad if equiped is the water reservoir large enough. I also bought a clutch from a person month's ago, sorry don't have his name but he had the roots style and loved it and found it to be dependable.

 

the TPC kit has an air to water intercooler. i have no idea how many cores it has. they do offer an optional porsche 3rd radiator for the front to supplement it, which they highly recommend for maximum intake temp reduction and if you're in warm environments. no fans for the 3rd radiator that i know of, just cool air blowing over it.

 

I'm kind of suprised Eurpoean Car wrote such a glowing review of the TPC kit after blowing up the editor's car.

Here's some links to the article. Don't know if it was before or after...

http://www.turboperformance.com/Pors...uroreviews.htm


i'll report back this week hopefully with my impressions of a ride in the EVO.