anyone done business with these guys before, thoughts/opinions

thanks

 

Scroll down the thread, and you'll find a few performance numbers. Fairly impressive.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/..._modified.html

 

We are still waiting patiently for some user feedabck. So far weve only got Skandalists feedback which is incredibly good. The numbers are very impressive alright so it would be great to hear from others with it to further substantiate these claims. The more feedback the better.

Please...where are all the APR tuned 997tt owners?

 

I suppose I am not the only one using APR software...

 

I hate to say it Skandalis but based on the fact that not one solitary soul has come mustered the courage to come forward after repeated requests from 6speeders for user feedback indicate you are most possibly APR's one and only customer (and quite possibly on a global scale if i may add) for their 997tt tune. Now thats not saying its no good....but merely pointing out that for some very very strange reason no one is prepared to stand up and come forward to sing its praises independantly outside of the appointed APR agents.

Incidentally when i made a genuine enquiry through the official agent out here some months back i was told how brilliant it was yet upon questioning the crazy price and asking for references was told in a very round about way that they could only possibly come up with with one or two references (with nothing being volunteered), so it was pretty damn obvious they hadnt sold anything. Again, thats not saying its no good but merely further confirming that it was grossly overpriced at 4250.00 and no one at APR has been prepared to get down from their high horse and respond to that fact and, accept that the competition offshore is selling tunes for sub 2k. Sad really...but thats APR Aus for you. Out here exists some crazy misconception that because us 997tt buyers have parted with obscene amounts of money for our P cars that we will automatically think 4250 for a packet tune is some sort of bargain . LOL! So Skandalis you are it mate.....APR's one and only representative. And even you didnt buy it spearately....you got it with the car.
I hope they are sending you something this xmas for all the free plugs.

 

Randy Pobst has an APR tuned 996 TT and I see them running and beating up on their shop 997 TT all the time at the track. However I haven't seen anything that would make me want to buy from them. Especially at those prices.

They race professionally (continental tire) and IMO could be likened to some of the bigger race shops that tune on the side (not like GMG who really do stuff), but like a farnbacher (rip). $4k for a tune is nonsense. Your money is better spent elsewhere, they do not do anything that significant to justify spending more than the sponsors on this board. If you are local to them, and want a local shop, have at it, otherwise, do some research.

 

+1 on that one Heavy C. Not even the custom tune guys like Proto, Evoms, Giac and so on stiff you for those kind of $ for a tune.

 

i used to frequent the office in Auburn, AL and did a lot of business with them when i had my audi TT. i know this isn't exactly what you need, but they are a bunch of super great guys and did great work on my audi.

 

I ll have to wait till Christmas to find out...

 

I think there are somethings that need to be cleared up here. For US residents and International clients who would like to purchase the software through myself @ GMP Performance pm for pricing.

Speed21 I am not sure why APR Aus is charging so much for the software. It's possible they might be a subdealer of the actual APR Import for your country. It's possible that because of the costs of importing the product such as duties and taxes. There are a of unknowns in your situation but if you have access to the internet, I would gladly send you our labtop so that you can download the software right off APR's server through the internet and I would gladly get up at 2am to walk you through it. It doesn't much more than 30 minutes or so depending on how fast your internet is.

As for customer referrals most APR dealers are mostly VW/AUDI shops because even though APR has been tuning the same ECU's found in the 997TT for 10 years or so, only started "selling" Porsche software till about 2 or 3 years ago so I'm not surprised that not many Porsche customers have heard of APR. However it's estimated that APR has about 60-70 percent market share of the VW and Audi market. They are the only brand in the VW/Audi market that engineers their own software and hardware all in house.

I have about 5 or 6 997TT cars within a 150 mile radius running APR. I have mentioned on a previous post by SKANDALIS that I have a local client willing to run some trap times as soon as we find a good spot to do it. We simply don't have a track close enough with the amount of space needed.

With that said we are willing to offer 30 day money back trials of anyone willing to try the APR software. Once you purchase the software you have 30 to try it and if you don't want it for any reason at all I will refund your money back in full. The only thing that I ask is that you must have internet access to get the software and that you try it for the full 30 days. Get every days worth. It doesn't matter if you are already flashed with someone else. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

FYI if anyone lives near a track that has a enough room to get your car to top speed and is willing to do some trap times for me please give me a call at 888 488 2028 EXT 257 or email me @ mkrisel@gmpperformance.com

If you guys have any questions about APR Software for your Porsche please dont hesitate to ask me.

 

They seem to have made good penetration into the Audi and Vw market but with Porsche have yet to do so and i suspect due to not meeting the market pricewise. Their call of course but sometimes to get in to a new market you have to be more realistic and place the ego of how good one may be to one side.

You definately deserve a visit from APR's Santa Skandalis. Its only your words that got me interested in APR's tune in the first place and had the Aus dealer been more realistic i would have had it in. Out here they forget that there is such things as internet and online buying, either that or they think all P owners are fools and are easily parted with their money.

Matthew you know my exact reasoning behind why I'm not going for the APR tune so no point me going into that here but had I the convenience of the Durametric load then it (may) be a different outcome. However in saying that, if i lived in the States $3300us would still have me going to the custom tuner boys like Proto, Evoms, Giac as there is simply too much difference between 3300 and the sub 2k prices asked for by FVD or Softronic for a similar tune. That is the reason why I suspect APR has not penetrated the 997tt market in any worthy numbers. Obviously the tune is excellent but could anyone really justify paying so much more for it? If APR wishes to rest its laurels upon the success of its Audi and VW market penetration then that is there decision. Being one of the largest engine part suppliers in the southern hemishere we have found if you don't meet the competition/market and, you are unable to convince the market that your product is better - "not apples for apples"- then sales will always be languishing on that particular product....just our experience. If APR priced their tune @2495 (or less) I bet there would be a hell of a lot more taking it up and until they price it accordingly with the competition i doubt they will ever penetrate into the 997tt market and acheive the numbers they may well deserve.
Cheers, P.

 

Hey Skandalis - any chance of you getting a dyno pull for your car.

To someone like me who only wants an ecu flash and no other upgrades, (and I'm sure many more like me) then the APR flash seems to be a good choice when looking at their apparent dyno graphs on their web site. Both hp and torque curves seem ideal for someone that doesn't always want WOT to get the best out of the car.

No one has published an actual dyno pull to substantiate APR's claims for the 997tt. You would definately be the flavor of the month if you could pull this one off. Go to it my friend !!

 

ok...seems interesting...I will plan a dyno measure next week...

 

speed21

I understand where your coming from on the pricing of the software and feel your pain I do. And I'm able to get you APR software uploaded through the OBD2 diagnostic port. All I have to do is send you our laptop and cable, hook up an internet cable to the laptop and you should be able to upload the software in 30 minutes or so.

As for the price well they think they are priced pretty reasonably with in the Porsche market of other tuners. Most everyone elses software is right around the $2500 mark such as EVOMS and GIAC. They are with in $700 or so but APR feels that they offer something that no one else offers and that's a fully loaded ECU with more than just one program. No other tuner can give you the ability to switch back to stock, or 100 octane or valet. There isn't a tuner out there that provides Valet, Fault Code erase, throttle body alignment, security and anti-theft all stored on to your ECU and access them as easy as putting your key into the ignition and holding down your cruise control switch.

Performance numbers aside I think just to have those options loaded I think is worth the extra money. And if you think about it the price of the software is only 2% of the cost of the car give or take for almost 20% more power? That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

And theres the 30 day money back garantee which is just icing on the cake! You literally get to drive your car with the software for a whole month to see if you like it completely risk free......

 

No worries at all Matthew and thanks for your offer to send your laptop however the bird has flown and i've gone with Todd K's Protomotive. I mentioned in my pm that i didnt want to send my ECU over and wanted a situation where i can flash and de flash at my leasure. Todd K's Proto is also a custom tune and highly reputed globally with many users to vouch for that so whilst the APR has the additional functionality those functions are truly superfluous in my case. I run only 98 (your 93) and dont give my keys out to valets. And like most 997tt owners I own more than one car so when I go out in the evening or anywhere else risky to park i simply take another car. And the lower octane settings...why bother with doing that when you can run premium 98. Fuel is the cheapest thing you can put in any car imo. Sad if you have to pinch pennys on fuel .
I still reckon APR has priced themselves virtually out of the 997tt tune market over your way and whilst they may have those additional functions at the end of the day they are just a gimmick most dont really need. And, instead of APR capitalising by utilising that gimmick as a sweetener to entice customers off the beaten path stamped down by the other sub 2 k packet tunes (FVD, Soft etc) APR have gone the other way....their loss (and yours too in a way). If they were priced to sell @ 2 to 2.5K you would have moved a truckload of them by now. We've experienced similar problems ourselves with the odd premium product manufacturer that digs their heels in by refusing to provide the necessary pricing stucture to compete with a competition thats owned the market for a long time so, I feel for you on that. Usually by the time they wake up the market's well and truly gone....ive seen that happen. Anyway, whats more important to most would be the core tune and at 700 more than the custom guys APR has its answer loud and clear why it has sold very few vs the competition. Its just way too dear.